An olive branch to Chuck. Let's collaborate on proving climate change on the prairie

[bucket]

Hammock yes China and India produce a lot of GHG but in Saskatchewan we Are Entitled to be the Biggest GHG Emitter on the planet. (Per person)
So as we sit IDLING our Trucks in the Tim Hortons for 20 minutes or driving a truck ,when 99% of the time a car would be more sensible ,like our parents did or insulating our buildings better Etc Etc.
Instead of chipping in to change habits for the betterment of our grandchildren,we Bitch and complain about having to change our ENTITLED life style

I live on a farm ....a car serves no purpose....I will only plug in when really cold....

And my house is well insulated as mentioned in another thread...can I do more .....

Maybe but it becomes cost prohibitive. ....

Natural gas servicing the house is the best option for heating.... ....


I don't think that's entitled anything....

Makes more sense than flaring it off.....

[jazz]

And targting rural people is a little rich isnt it? I mean its mostly surburban families driving SUVs to the store to pick up bannas and avacadoes flown in overnight on 747s and chinese junk railed in from the coast. Fish caught on Canadians coast lines, processed in china and shipped back here. Canadian timber cut, shipped to china and comes back as ikea furniture destined for the land fill.

I will accept climate change when every facet that contributes to it is on the table.

And that's the day it would die.

[Hamloc]

Hammock yes China and India produce a lot of GHG but in Saskatchewan we Are Entitled to be the Biggest GHG Emitter on the planet. (Per person)
So as we sit IDLING our Trucks in the Tim Hortons for 20 minutes or driving a truck ,when 99% of the time a car would be more sensible ,like our parents did or insulating our buildings better Etc Etc.
Instead of chipping in to change habits for the betterment of our grandchildren,we Bitch and complain about having to change our ENTITLED life style

So the U.N. states that we must reduce our GHG emissions 7% every year until 2030 and beyond to avoid catastrophic global warming. I don't think avoiding Tim Hortons and adding insulation to my house will fix that problem. Incidentally I live in a well insulated 1300 sq. ft. house and usually take a 4 cyl. Equinox to town. So instead of going of spewing a sanctimonious load of crap why not address the questions I asked?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sorry guys, I was not trying to start another global warming thread.

I was trying to unite two disparate causes towards a common goal.

I and others want to know if the persistent weather patterns we are experiencing are related to a "stuck" jet stream, and if this is in any way unprecedented, and if it is, could we plan and budget around this new reality.

Chuck et al want to convince the rest of us about the imminent threat of global warming. The current strategy of The daily beatings will continue until morale improves just isn't having the desired effect. All of their dire scenario's occur in the future, in other parts of the world, and are based on models which most of us consider to be highly suspect(based on their track record). So, they need an example of how global warming is affecting us( farmer members of Agriville), today, in our own backyards. If we can show that the persistence of weather patterns in recent years is significantly longer than it was in decades past, that would be more effective at convincing farmers that "climate change" is real, happening now, and happening to us, than a million cut and paste about the future of somewhere else could ever hope to be.

If you want to convince me that I should get on board with wanting to do something about global warming, a good first step might be to find evidence that it is detrimental to my farm, here and now. A stalled jet stream causing prolonged weather patterns is the only example I can find that hasn't yet been disproven, or proven beneficial. Chuck brings it up often, without any concrete evidence. He may be right. My suspicion is that if it were correct, someone would already have done the research and the warmists would be rubbing our noses in it daily, since it would be a very powerful tool for selling the agenda. That fact that they have been speculating about this, but not providing evidence is telling, but I want to know for sure. All the information is available, just need to sort through and find some quality data sets, and i am willing to do the work to look for pattern changes.

Any takers?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Agrivillers WHO Dont believe in climate change, please read peer reviewed scientific articles , not some hokey tabloid crap that proves your denial syndrome. Its been over 30 years since the scientific community WARNED us of problems associated with climate change.

WE NEED to have DISCUSSION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM
NOT A DISCUSSION ON IF, THE PROBLEM EXISTS

Merry Christmas

And this is the problem I am referring to. You have started out at the last step. And somehow believe that by insulting anyone who dares to comprehends how the scientific method is supposed to function, you can convince them to skip all the other steps in the process and start right at the end with a solution. You need to back up and get true buy in from all citizens, and convince them that there really is a problem that needs solving if you hope to find a workable solution. I propose a way to get the most stubborn (and potentially most affected, if Chuck is right) of those in opposition to see it your way. Are you willing to help?

[vvalk]

Hammock yes China and India produce a lot of GHG but in Saskatchewan we Are Entitled to be the Biggest GHG Emitter on the planet. (Per person)
So as we sit IDLING our Trucks in the Tim Hortons for 20 minutes or driving a truck ,when 99% of the time a car would be more sensible ,like our parents did or insulating our buildings better Etc Etc.
Instead of chipping in to change habits for the betterment of our grandchildren,we Bitch and complain about having to change our ENTITLED life style

Just wondering mustard and chuck and anyone whoThinks the world is in trouble over man made emissions. If your so concerned have you stopped going to all movies or entertainment. ( think of all the emmissions making these movies. Wouls be absolutely incredible the carbon footprint of these movies).do you even need television? Think of the footprint of all the shows on the tv? Music? All the productions and costs? Who need that’s when the world is dying. What about entertainment like professional sports. Shut every league down. Can’t even count the emissions Flying around all those teams all over the world, stadiums etc etc. Olympics? Forget it
Does your wife stop buying makeup? Jewelry. Who’s needs that when the world is dying? Really anything that you really don’t need to live. Do you need kiwis or other fruits not local to survive? Do we really need landscaping around all the houses? More emission from a lawnmower, whopper sniper then 50 vehicles
Could go and on and on and on and on
So why are we worried about beef production or how we farm? Or natural gas ( or any heat source) that anyone living under avg temp of 20 degs would literally die without. Think about how crazy that is over everything I just mentioned. Until the Gretas St all give up all of the stuff I mentioned and everything else I didn’t then they will have some moral authority.

[furrowtickler]

Chuck and Mustard are just lashing out at anyone they seem successful. They feel that the carbon tax will make everyone equal and then live in a socialist utopia. Every one gets a EV , they must give their trucks back , for they are an evil symbol of wealth . Trade isn the tractors for donkeys and all go back to farming 500 ac , with pigs, chickens and ducks . Any grain or animals must be sold through the collective so as no one person makes a dime more than thy neighbour.
Shame on those who wish to live a better life lol .
Some are so petty , sad life to live.

[fjlip]

Wow I enjoy all you fellows rebutting the INSANITY of us, 1.6% of planet, needing to act to save it!

We can make no difference even if we all vanished off the earth!

YOU brainwashed CULTIST people, explain each point given here, then we will listen to your rants!

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/global-warming-fraud-exposed-in-pictures-bA-1mNrK0kiarserpfa9iA/2019-10-02T22:29:32.6266770Z/zqymapiRiEykgCTlPDGg9Q/?replyPage=1 https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/global-warming-fraud-exposed-in-pictures-bA-1mNrK0kiarserpfa9iA/2019-10-02T22:29:32.6266770Z/zqymapiRiEykgCTlPDGg9Q/?replyPage=1

Screw your "peer reviewed bullshit", that we don't even believe!

Altered data, cherry picked data, none came true in a hundred years, how can a reasoning person "believe"?

[TASFarms]

I’m making a difference. I’m going to sequester another 1 000 000 pounds of carbon in the ground this year. Yet I’m probably still going to pay $50000 in carbon tax.

[bucket]

I’m making a difference. I’m going to sequester another 1 000 000 pounds of carbon in the ground this year. Yet I’m probably still going to pay $50000 in carbon tax.

Before they implemented the carbon tax on saskatchewan people the first thing Wall/Moe should have negotiated is a payment for our sequestering....on behalf of saskatchewan people...


Seems really stupid that Trudeau makes a promise to plant a billion trees to sequester 4 million tonnes a year while we have trees here doing it already....plus crop land and farming changes that have been helping the environment for 40 plus years with no till....or our grasslands...

When Saskatchewan politicians forget to get the no-brainer part done....you really can't expect them to finish the harder parts...

All checkoff groups have supported the work of the SSCA but no one has gained a cent on behalf of farmers...

The data is there and yet nothing...here is a plan....


You call the head of the supply managed sector or dairy farmers of Canada and ask for the pictures and videos that they have to blackmail governments and see if you can't get copies ....then get a carbon credit for farmers....

[chuckChuck]

https://www.ft.com/content/591395fe-b761-11e9-96bd-8e884d3ea203 https://www.ft.com/content/591395fe-b761-11e9-96bd-8e884d3ea203

Climate change: how the jet stream is changing your weather
Northern Atlantic current is shifting course — with implications for crops and sea levels


"The jet stream was first identified around the turn of the 20th century — early research efforts by scientists even included a few ill-fated voyages in air balloons. Technically there are four jet streams that circle the planet — two in each hemisphere — but the most studied is the northern hemisphere polar jet, due to its central role in European weather patterns. But it was not until the 1980s, and the advent of modern satellites, that really good data on the jet stream and other atmospheric currents became available, allowing measurement of its precise speed and direction.

This relatively short time period is part of the reason why it is so hard to tell how the jet stream is being affected by climate change. Unlike temperature records, which stretch back to the pre-industrial era, there is no detailed account of what the jet stream was doing before human-induced global warming kicked in."

"One prominent theory is that global warming will cause the jet stream to slow down and become wavier — resulting in more summer heatwaves, among other developments. The jet stream typically helps to keep cool air near the poles and warm air near the tropics, but when it swings out to make a dramatic bend, it can carry pockets of warm air north, cool air south.

“The climate change aspect is contributing to these very persistent, big waves of the jet stream,” says Jennifer Francis, senior scientist at Woods Hole Research Centre, and one of the leading researchers to identify the trend. She believes the natural undulations of the jet stream are becoming bigger and more pronounced because of climate change.

As the planet heats up, she says, warming is distributed unevenly. At the moment, the Arctic is warming much faster than the rest of the world because the decrease in sea ice means the ocean is absorbing more heat from the sun. As the temperature difference between the poles and the tropics narrows, that can weaken the jet stream and cause the swings to be more dramatic, Ms Francis says."

[chuckChuck]

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02022018/cold-weather-polar-vortex-jet-stream-explained-global-warming-arctic-ice-climate-change https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02022018/cold-weather-polar-vortex-jet-stream-explained-global-warming-arctic-ice-climate-change

Polar Vortex: How the Jet Stream and Climate Change Bring on Cold Snaps
It might seem counterintuitive, but global warming plays a role in blasts of bitter cold weather. The reason: It influences the jet stream. Here’s how.