An olive branch to Chuck. Let's collaborate on proving climate change on the prairie

[Ache4Acres]

Sorry I don’t think you will get far on this.

The data is all so heavily edited and massaged that nobody could ever find out the truth anymore. Sad to see all the real data replaced with computer models of historic data. I guess whatever it takes to tell a story

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/09/20/delingpole-environment-canada-airbrushes-100-years-of-inconvenient-climate-data-out-of-history/

[tweety]

Jazz, we have beat all those horses to death, with no progress, and nothing productive ever comes out of it.

Good you realized the very purpose of social media. To sell commercial space while you pointlessly argue.

But you're right, maybe this time its different.

[mustardman]

Agrivillers WHO Dont believe in climate change, please read peer reviewed scientific articles , not some hokey tabloid crap that proves your denial syndrome. Its been over 30 years since the scientific community WARNED us of problems associated with climate change.

WE NEED to have DISCUSSION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM
NOT A DISCUSSION ON IF, THE PROBLEM EXISTS

Merry Christmas

[bucket]

So when they do ice cores or tree rings that say this type of weather has happened before that doesn't count?

Or when they correlate volcanoes to changes centuries ago.?

Or the fact most of the nonsense AL Gore predicted didn't happen....and they put it off a few decades.. .


I am a denier. ...and am sticking to it....


Mostly because my acres have covered off my emissions and then some....

[macdon02]

Hopefully these posted in correct order. I see a trend in my growing season locally.

I had taken the screen shots back in August because i was looking for trend in the growing season. Just went back to pull up 2018 numbers as i don't have them, neither does the site. They pulled the "historical" tab so you can't look back to compare previous years. Nice.....

[jazz]

Agrivillers WHO Dont believe in climate change, please read peer reviewed scientific articles , not some hokey tabloid crap that proves your denial syndrome. Its been over 30 years since the scientific community WARNED us of problems associated with climate change.

WE NEED to have DISCUSSION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM
NOT A DISCUSSION ON IF, THE PROBLEM EXISTS

Merry Christmas

And here is the reason we are right back at square one.

People aren't deniers because they want to be. They are deniers because no prediction from that theory has come true, the models are still wildly inaccurate and the facts on the ground contradict the theory all together.

Now add in the MSM frenzy, breathless reporting, shaming, celebrity hypocrisy, UN incompetence, etc and the entire industry has discredited itself.

Not even the hyped up weather networks can link it to the next few months forecast. We are in for a mild, low precip winter here exactly the opposite of their winter forecast said.

[TASFarms]

The u.n. Says you are a believer or a denier and no middle ground allowed. If you take all the u.n. Bullshit and throw it in the garbage there isn’t a problem

[jazz]

Even when they twist the theory to cover every outcome that doesnt work either.

Oh the scary polar vortex is going to come and kill you every week. It has been down once this year and that was short lived and mild. Looks like a similar one in mid January.

And natural processes are left out of the models entirely, undersea smokers, volcanoes, carbon released along continental plates, heat transfer to oceans from mantle, heat escape into space, cloud cover morphology, solar cycles, sunspots, magnetosphere, land snow pack, increased CO2 absorption by larger plant life, etc etc.

Put me in front of the IPCC panel and I would have a field day with those egg heads.

[Hamloc]

Agrivillers WHO Dont believe in climate change, please read peer reviewed scientific articles , not some hokey tabloid crap that proves your denial syndrome. Its been over 30 years since the scientific community WARNED us of problems associated with climate change.

WE NEED to have DISCUSSION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM
NOT A DISCUSSION ON IF, THE PROBLEM EXISTS

Merry Christmas

Mustardman I quickly looked through the link Chuck posted. Here is what I got out of it. Temperatures in Canada have risen on average 1.8 degrees. Most of the warming has been in the winter but some in the summer. We could experience higher levels of precipitation due to the warmer atmosphere holding more water vapour but we could also experience more heat and drought. One part talks about an increase in growing degree days, another part says there will be no increase. Really in my opinion a bunch of double talk jibberish.

What I have experienced is that in 4 of the last 5 years we have had significant snow fall in September. Harvest has been long, wet and cold. 5 years ago I can't think of one farm in my area with a grain dryer, lots of aeration bins but no dryers. Now over half my neighbors have installed dryers and those that haven't including myself are thinking about it. What complicates the decision is the carbon tax. In Alberta Jan. 1 $20 a tonne, rising to $30 a tonne April 1, 2020. In Saskatchewan I believe your carbon tax goes up to $30 a tonne Jan. 1. A good drying installation is expensive and will take a few years to pay for, will the future cost of natural gas make drying grain cost prohibitive? Will we continue to have shitty fall weather?

Mustardman you want solutions. If you think lowering C02 emissions is the answer then you must find a way to lower emissions in countries like China. A recent WSJ article says that China's demand for coal rose 7% in 2019. They import 72% of their oil and in 2020 it is projected they will be the largest importer of natural gas in the world. China emits as much C02 in 3 weeks as Canada does in a year! So call me a denier if you wish, I call myself a realist. I think if we are going to survive we must adapt. Increasing the size, cost and scope of government isn't going to do a damn thing!

[jazz]

That is why I expect we need to do the foot work ourselves on this one.

That report says nothing about long cycles and its projections out 100 yrs are wildly variable. Look at the error bands.

And no data pre-1900 when we know a lot of temp records were set and no data further back when we know solar minimums have taken root before.

There is a quote in one of the IPCCs own emails of a scientist asking the question What if its just a multi-decade blip? That certainly doesn't exude certainty to me.

Look at the mean temp graphic. One of the models shows barely a change at all in our temp going forward while the other shows 5 degrees of warming. Even their own models cant agree. And then they use a reference period of 1985-2005 to compare it against. Why those years? Why not 1885 to 1905? Why not 1400-1410 BC?

They are looking at the planet as a snapshot in time and that's the wrong approach.

[mustardman]

Hammock yes China and India produce a lot of GHG but in Saskatchewan we Are Entitled to be the Biggest GHG Emitter on the planet. (Per person)
So as we sit IDLING our Trucks in the Tim Hortons for 20 minutes or driving a truck ,when 99% of the time a car would be more sensible ,like our parents did or insulating our buildings better Etc Etc.
Instead of chipping in to change habits for the betterment of our grandchildren,we Bitch and complain about having to change our ENTITLED life style

[jazz]

Instead of chipping in to change habits for the betterment of our grandchildren,we Bitch and complain about having to change our ENTITLED life style

Then that's a different conversation that CO2 shaming and the earth will burn frenzy.

Sask is a fluke of geography and new settlement, low population finds itself on a resource jackpot. Of course we are going to stand out like a sore thumb, but that hardly means we are entitled.

Also if its carbon you are worried about, sask its already carbon neutral. Farmers and trees sequester our emissions right back into the earth every year but we shouldn't trust that science now should we? Just left out of the equation.