Something to think about.

[burnt]

Hamlock, that is not my calculation. It comes from a September 25, 2019 Investopedia article by Daniel Kurt. I suspect it is based on a median calculation of earnings, not of actual earnings for every person on earth. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp

And no question, things can always be better. But if things could be better, that does not mean they are terrible now.

So the question I have for you would be: What do you think should be improved to make CANADA better? And don't just say a change in government. What actual changes are you calling for, what is the cost of those improvements, and who do you think should pay for what you want to see - and if you say government, then that means more debt or higher taxes.

That's an excellent question and springboard for discussion.

I think that some of the simple things would have not net cost - for instance enforcing immigration laws.

Oh, how about that - we are back to rule of law!

As for other simple things - taking personal responsibility for our contribution to society, like this country was built on.

The nicest part of that - absolutely no cost to others.

There's a start.

[dmlfarmer]

That's an excellent question and springboard for discussion.

I think that some of the simple things would have not net cost - for instance enforcing immigration laws.

Oh, how about that - we are back to rule of law!

As for other simple things - taking personal responsibility for our contribution to society, like this country was built on.

The nicest part of that - absolutely no cost to others.

There's a start.

When I posed the question to Hamlock, I was hoping for something more substantive than just the motherhood and apple pie statements like you just gave and that we get from politicians every election. And to say that your ideas have no cost, then why are they not happening already if they are good ideas? IMHO I think the ideas you shared have a huge costs. Our immigration court systems are hugely backed up therefore need more judges/courts. More immigration officers. More detention facitlities. Same goes for rule of law. Are you calling for more police, more judges, more jails, longer sentences - all carry a cost? And how much freedom are you willing to give up to enforce stricter rule of law? Should police have more powers?
AS for taking personal responsibility - I am not even sure what you mean? Less public support for individuals ie health care/ education funding/ welfare/ social security / old age pension UI payments. Are you also advocating less industry support like subsides, or tax breaks for companies, including getting rid of government support for ag including agrivest, crop insurance, public plant breeding, even trade
missions to sell Canadian grain overseas?

Unless we are willing to define exactly what we want and what we are willing to pay for, we will continue to get vague policy from government./

[dmlfarmer]

Selling excess supply of something to someone who doesn't have that item is trade not globalism.

Globalism is when you siphon off the productive capacity of one country and move to another to sell back into the home market.

I 100% oppose anything like that no matter how well off we appear.

Everybody and their dog knows canadas dirty little secret. That if we weren't run by such corrupt incompetent **** faces we would absolutely be killing it.

NO, what you are talking about is in fact globalization. Globalism is simply expanding the area in the world you trade with (when talking economic globalism) and has been happening for centuries, right back to the silk road from China to the middle east.;

And excess supply is only one factor in trade. A bigger one is price. IMHO Capitalism has played a bigger role in globalism than governments. If company A can get their product made cheaper in China than it can be produced domestically, then globalism happens and production is moved off shore. To blame government for a capitalistic corporate move is missing the real problem. Domestic production is no longer competitive globally. Solve that problem and companies will not move. Or you do as Trump is trying by taxing imports which is simply a consumption tax on consumers as competitive goods are still being produced cheaper off shore.

[jazz]

Dml you and Trudeau should get together and talk economics.

I Am glad you explained globalization to me. Now I know why a country with the largest softwood forest on the planet doesn't make furniture anymore. Or a country that border 3 great oceans has to get its fish packaged in china. Or why a country with some of the largest metals reserves on the planet gets LNG skids made with Chinese steel and labour.

Your logic is flawless.

[Hamloc]

NO, what you are talking about is in fact globalization. Globalism is simply expanding the area in the world you trade with (when talking economic globalism) and has been happening for centuries, right back to the silk road from China to the middle east.;

And excess supply is only one factor in trade. A bigger one is price. IMHO Capitalism has played a bigger role in globalism than governments. If company A can get their product made cheaper in China than it can be produced domestically, then globalism happens and production is moved off shore. To blame government for a capitalistic corporate move is missing the real problem. Domestic production is no longer competitive globally. Solve that problem and companies will not move. Or you do as Trump is trying by taxing imports which is simply a consumption tax on consumers as competitive goods are still being produced cheaper off shore.

I certainly don't consider myself left of center but one thing I would like to see change is corporate culture. I think that corporations absolutely need to make money but I think it would be beneficial if it became a goal of corporations to think about their workers and their communities as much as they do their profits. There is no doubt in my mind that at present maximizing profits always comes first. If capitalism is going to survive the onslaught of the climate alarmists this corporate culture must change!!!

[burnt]

When I posed the question to Hamlock, I was hoping for something more substantive than just the motherhood and apple pie statements like you just gave and that we get from politicians every election. And to say that your ideas have no cost, then why are they not happening already if they are good ideas? IMHO I think the ideas you shared have a huge costs. Our immigration court systems are hugely backed up therefore need more judges/courts. More immigration officers. More detention facitlities. Same goes for rule of law. Are you calling for more police, more judges, more jails, longer sentences - all carry a cost? And how much freedom are you willing to give up to enforce stricter rule of law? Should police have more powers?
AS for taking personal responsibility - I am not even sure what you mean? Less public support for individuals ie health care/ education funding/ welfare/ social security / old age pension UI payments. Are you also advocating less industry support like subsides, or tax breaks for companies, including getting rid of government support for ag including agrivest, crop insurance, public plant breeding, even trade
missions to sell Canadian grain overseas?

Unless we are willing to define exactly what we want and what we are willing to pay for, we will continue to get vague policy from government./

I gave you an exact definition, but apparently your mind is still a bit cloudy from celebrating New Year's Eve?

And I also pointed out that rather than cost, it would save the country money.

The reason it's not already being done is because we have a jackass leading the country, one who thinks we are not a nation with borders.


Not sure what is so difficult about understanding that enforcing immigration laws is a net benefit to our country.

To try to make this fairly easy to understand, instead of the RCMP acting like porters carrying the border jumpers luggage for them, the cops should be cops and kick the illegals asses back across the border. use whatever force is necessary to help them understand that if they want to immigrate, they damn well get in line like the legal applicants do.

They are not refugees, nor legal immigrants, they are criminals. And they think we are a bunch of pussies who are here to give them a free ride. And they clog up the courts and drain immigration resources, which only aggravates the bona fide applicants.

You think there's no real cost to the illegals, dml?

I have connections with some who "work" with the illegals. The border jumpers take us for fools, just because our Prime Minstrel acts like a fool. They get across, using the RCMP as porters, and know that they will be given housing and welfare.

And furthermore, dml, do you really think they are going to abide by gun laws since they have already demonstrated that they don't give a rat's ass about our other laws? They break the law and get rewarded for it.

The rest of us work for what we get and get punished for it.