Just a wee geopolitical issue...

[jazz]

Iran will do exactly.....nothing.

Their oil facilities sit right there, single cruise missle in there and their economy is done.

I seem to remember a little article about the americans being energy exporters this year for the first time since the 60s.

No it wont be like the gulf war, it will be over much sooner.

[biglentil]

Woops!

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-the-uss-soleimani-assassination-meant-to-deflect-attention-from/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-the-uss-soleimani-assassination-meant-to-deflect-attention-from/

Is the Soleimani assassination meant to distract from Trump’s impeachment crisis?
Lawrence Martin
Washington
Special to The Globe and Mail
Published 2 days ago

A recurrent theme throughout the Donald Trump presidency has been restraint in the application of military power. It followed from his belief that, as he said in December, “the United States cannot continue to be the policeman of the world.” While he has engaged in a lot of sabre-rattling over the course of his administration, his bark is often bigger than his bite.

No longer. Not with the assertion of military might that targeted and killed top Iranian general Qassem Soleimani. Any notion that he was the peace president can now be set aside. The destabilizer at home has become the destabilizer abroad.

Although Mr. Trump has been hostile to Iran throughout his presidency, the strike still came as a surprise to foreign-policy analysts. He has repeatedly vowed to steer clear of costly and endless conflicts in the Middle East; just last summer, a more temperate Mr. Trump called off a planned attack on Iran just as the Pentagon was prepared to strike in response to the downing of an American drone, saying that he felt there would be too many deaths from such a response.

The timing of the risk-laden attack raises questions of political motivation, given that it comes when Mr. Trump has been impeached in the House of Representatives and faces a trial in the Senate on the impeachment articles. His sudden dramatic escalation of global tensions deflects and distracts from that crisis.

Politically, the reaction has predictably broken along party lines. While Republican supporters salute Mr. Trump for taking out a longtime architect of terror, critics like Democratic senator Tom Udall of New Mexico claim there was insufficient provocation for an act of such magnitude, that it was a disproportionate response that recklessly inflames Middle East tensions. Until the fallout in the coming weeks is witnessed, conclusive assessments are premature.

Mr. Trump could well politically profit from the attack – at least in the short term. Presidents who make military strikes against perceived threats to the country’s security normally do. But there is no sense that Americans are in the mood for a broader war, and if the strike leads to one, all bets are off.

The challenge for the White House will be to establish clearly that Iran, as the Pentagon claims, “was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region.”

Given Mr. Trump’s reputation for being rash and headstrong, he’s not likely to be accorded the benefit of the doubt for his version of events or his motivations. He has been a severe critic of President George W. Bush’s Iraq war, which arose out of the bogus belief that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that could be used against the U.S. and allies. Mr. Hussein’s reputation as a mass murderer helped the Bush administration to mobilize public opinion on its behalf for that war.

While Iran has frequently been in the news, it is nowhere near the top-of-mind issue that Iraq was. Soleimani was not a name known to the American public.

If Mr. Trump is accused of using the attack to benefit politically, it will not be the first time a president has been accused of such. During the Monica Lewinsky scandal in 1998 and 1999, Bill Clinton initiated bombing campaigns in Sudan and in Iraq, and critics claimed he was trying to divert attention.

Mr. Trump’s military strike came at the very moment that defending his actions around the Ukraine scandal got much more difficult to do. E-mails from officials at the Defence Department and the Office of Management and Budget were published this week, showing that the decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine until it opened an investigation into political rival Joe Biden came directly from the President, and that his decision came in spite of warnings from Defence Department staff that the hold violated U.S. law.

With so much damning evidence to support the impeachment articles of abuse of power and obstruction of justice, the prospect of a Senate trial becomes all the more dreaded for Mr. Trump. There is speculation that Senate Leader Mitch McConnell will avoid a trial by holding a snap vote with his Senate majority to acquit the President, but that would make a mockery of the process.

In such a scenario, it will be hard to ignore the fact that a war or pending war in the Middle East represents an enormous, helpful distraction.

[Guest]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-the-uss-soleimani-assassination-meant-to-deflect-attention-from/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-the-uss-soleimani-assassination-meant-to-deflect-attention-from/

Is the Soleimani assassination meant to distract from Trump’s impeachment crisis?
Lawrence Martin
Washington
Special to The Globe and Mail
Published 2 days ago

A recurrent theme throughout the Donald Trump presidency has been restraint in the application of military power. It followed from his belief that, as he said in December, “the United States cannot continue to be the policeman of the world.” While he has engaged in a lot of sabre-rattling over the course of his administration, his bark is often bigger than his bite.

trump bad, trump bad, trump bad
No longer. Not with the assertion of military might that targeted and killed top Iranian general Qassem Soleimani. Any notion that he was the peace president can now be set aside. The destabilizer at home has become the destabilizer abroad.

Although Mr. Trump has been hostile to Iran throughout his presidency, the strike still came as a surprise to foreign-policy analysts. He has repeatedly vowed to steer clear of costly and endless conflicts in the Middle East; just last summer, a more temperate Mr. Trump called off a planned attack on Iran just as the Pentagon was prepared to strike in response to the downing of an American drone, saying that he felt there would be too many deaths from such a response.

The timing of the risk-laden attack raises questions of political motivation, given that it comes when Mr. Trump has been impeached in the House of Representatives and faces a trial in the Senate on the impeachment articles. His sudden dramatic escalation of global tensions deflects and distracts from that crisis.

Politically, the reaction has predictably broken along party lines. While Republican supporters salute Mr. Trump for taking out a longtime architect of terror, critics like Democratic senator Tom Udall of New Mexico claim there was insufficient provocation for an act of such magnitude, that it was a disproportionate response that recklessly inflames Middle East tensions. Until the fallout in the coming weeks is witnessed, conclusive assessments are premature.

Mr. Trump could well politically profit from the attack – at least in the short term. Presidents who make military strikes against perceived threats to the country’s security normally do. But there is no sense that Americans are in the mood for a broader war, and if the strike leads to one, all bets are off.

The challenge for the White House will be to establish clearly that Iran, as the Pentagon claims, “was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region.”

Given Mr. Trump’s reputation for being rash and headstrong, he’s not likely to be accorded the benefit of the doubt for his version of events or his motivations. He has been a severe critic of President George W. Bush’s Iraq war, which arose out of the bogus belief that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that could be used against the U.S. and allies. Mr. Hussein’s reputation as a mass murderer helped the Bush administration to mobilize public opinion on its behalf for that war.

While Iran has frequently been in the news, it is nowhere near the top-of-mind issue that Iraq was. Soleimani was not a name known to the American public.

If Mr. Trump is accused of using the attack to benefit politically, it will not be the first time a president has been accused of such. During the Monica Lewinsky scandal in 1998 and 1999, Bill Clinton initiated bombing campaigns in Sudan and in Iraq, and critics claimed he was trying to divert attention.

Mr. Trump’s military strike came at the very moment that defending his actions around the Ukraine scandal got much more difficult to do. E-mails from officials at the Defence Department and the Office of Management and Budget were published this week, showing that the decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine until it opened an investigation into political rival Joe Biden came directly from the President, and that his decision came in spite of warnings from Defence Department staff that the hold violated U.S. law.

With so much damning evidence to support the impeachment articles of abuse of power and obstruction of justice, the prospect of a Senate trial becomes all the more dreaded for Mr. Trump. There is speculation that Senate Leader Mitch McConnell will avoid a trial by holding a snap vote with his Senate majority to acquit the President, but that would make a mockery of the process.

In such a scenario, it will be hard to ignore the fact that a war or pending war in the Middle East represents an enormous, helpful distraction.

trump bad , trump bad, trump bad

[agstar77]

Vietnam was a small country and how did that work for the U.S.?

[Robertbarlage]

[chuckChuck]

Just watched the movie The Post. It was okay as a movie and worth a watch.

The story was a reminder of how several US presidents knew that they couldn't win in Vietnam based on the research published in the Pentagon Papers.

But that didn't stop them from sending many Americans and Vietnamese to their death in a futile war.

Nixon worked hard to shut down the NYT and the Post from publishing the Pentagon Papers. But the Supreme court ruled against him.

Justice Hugo Black wrote this: E]very moment's continuance of the injunctions ... amounts to a flagrant, indefensible, and continuing violation of the First Amendment. ... The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell.

[jazz]

Trumps response was due to the embassy attack which harks back to Iran in 1979 and Benghazi. Nothing nore, nothing less. Iran poked the bear too far. Embassies are soveriegn soil. Thats it.

Only leftist whackos and terrorist sympathizers would go looking for anything beyond that.

Trump isnt even impeached yet until geriatric nancy stumblers her way up to congress to drop off the notes.

[agstar77]

Trump has been impeached, not yet removed from office.

[chuckChuck]

Robertlarge: The problem with that thinking is since the first gulf war many Iranians, Iraquis and other middle eastern citizens think of the Americans as the terrorists.

And we know that George W. Bush's decisions based on "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" was a lie.

"The first casualty of war is the truth."

As fuel prices rise in time for spring seeding you may be able thank Donald for the increase.

[jazz]

Trump has been impeached, not yet removed from office.

Trump has neither been impeached, nor referred to trial. The dems own witness admitted this.

Impeachment is not in the books until articles delivered to Senate.

Wont be removed no matter what happens. Reelected with 400 colleges more likely.

[jazz]

As fuel prices rise in time for spring seeding you may be able thank Donald
for the increase.

I will be still be cursing Trudeau and praising our patch if that happens. Fuel prices are nothing compared to ever increasing govt taxes and **** from input dealers and machine companies.

[Guest]

Trump has been impeached, not yet removed from office.

WTf ??

[Robertbarlage]

No I will be thanking our pisshead leader that you get wet over.

[jazz]

Iran should back up their bluster. There is a US carrier in the gulf right now. Go after it, try to sink it and see what happens.

Watch the strait get closed off by two more carriers and the Iran economy destroyed overnight while trump pumps away in the Permian with Canada on backup. Trump would kill both Chinas and NK economy too.

This is the problem with concentrated assets like the ME oil facilities, millions of bbls coming out of a couple locations that are prime targets. US and Canada have millions of wells all over the continent, our supply could never be shut down that way.

But I hear Iran is going to a cyberstrike and shut down Trumps twitter account, that could be devastating.

I notice lil kimmy pretty quiet after that drone strike. He is probably thinking about having coffee with Trump again after this past week.