Some footage

[Guest]

Its a ****en tax plain and simple
Maritimes are taxed less cause they voted for numbnuts
Ontario made fools of themselves

[chuckChuck]

This is a perfect illustration of the futility of arguing with someone who only has a fixed number of pre chewed cut and paste alarmist counter arguments. We are discussing Australia, and suddenly you make it about BC, which incidentally, is not a part of Australia, in a different hemisphere last I checked.

Huh? You were the one who said you just do a google search "forest fires decline" as proof of your point. In what country or region that is experiencing climate change is this true?

That is a pretty vague response on Australia or BC. LOL

You don't seem to ever reply with any science or facts to support your arguments. We are still waiting!

Show us the science and facts that climate change, warming temperatures are leading to less fires or smaller fires in Australia or BC.

https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/climate-campus/australian-climate-change/australian-trends/ https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/climate-campus/australian-climate-change/australian-trends/

The 2016 State of the Climate report states that Australia’s climate has warmed since national records began in 1910, especially since 1950. Mean surface air temperature has increased by around 1.0°C since 1910. Australia’s top five warmest years on record included each of the last three years—2013, 2014 and 2015; 2013 was Australia’s warmest year on record. The warming trend occurs against a background of year-to-year climate variability, mostly associated with El Niño and La Niña in the tropical Pacific.

Sea surface temperatures in the Australian region have warmed by nearly 1 °C since 1900, with the past three years, 2013–2015, all in the region’s five warmest years on record.

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/CC-nov-Bushfire-briefing-paper.pdf https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/CC-nov-Bushfire-briefing-paper.pdf

‘This is Not Normal’: Climate change and escalating bushfire risk

[flea beetle]

Or just a normal up down cycle in the weather over 200-300 years? Fact is, nobody can honestly say they truly know.

[malleefarmer]

https://www.2gb.com/podcast/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires/?fbclid=IwAR03SS2U_QnR-x4rBUpIZlC3ocfGTVxlrzjUbv3TDbJVXRXiXYsyrezQX8c https://www.2gb.com/podcast/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires/?fbclid=IwAR03SS2U_QnR-x4rBUpIZlC3ocfGTVxlrzjUbv3TDbJVXRXiXYsyrezQX8c

[malleefarmer]

The above link is 12 minutes doubt any of you will listen one of Australia’s best scientists talking about fires.

Can’t be bothered commenting anymore as this thread has derailed othe than the pms approval rating before and after fires hasn’t changed. He’s conservative the left hate him the right love him nothing more nothing less.

One thing all the haters and journos don’t realize is our PM is not even at the top of the emergency chain of command
He acts with advice given..

To quote iceman “malleefarmer out”

Edit spelling

[blackpowder]

Well I listened to it.
Sounds familiar.
Good luck and thanks.

[Guest]

The above link is 12 minutes doubt any of you will listen one of Australia’s best scientists talking about fires.

Can’t be bothered commenting anymore as this thread has derailed othe than the pms approval rating before and after fires hasn’t changed. He’s conservative the left hate him the right love him nothing more nothing less.

One thing all the haters and journos don’t realize is our PM is not even at the top of the emergency chain of command
He acts with advice given..

To quote iceman “malleefarmer out”

Edit spelling

thats a good piece mallee
hope things cool down for you soon
Some missed the horror of the fires and simply use it as an aid to further their cult
It’s like a flood , until you see and smell and witness the destruction all around you , they cannot understand

[dmlfarmer]

https://www.2gb.com/podcast/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires/?fbclid=IwAR03SS2U_QnR-x4rBUpIZlC3ocfGTVxlrzjUbv3TDbJVXRXiXYsyrezQX8c https://www.2gb.com/podcast/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires/?fbclid=IwAR03SS2U_QnR-x4rBUpIZlC3ocfGTVxlrzjUbv3TDbJVXRXiXYsyrezQX8c

Another quote from David Packham:
Update 14/11/19:

Speaking earlier this week, Mr Packham confirmed his position on what is causing the current severe bushfire conditions. Addressing the matter on Sky News, he said fuel loads remain the core issue.

"The most important (factor) is the dryness of the fuel, which comes from the hot dry weather," he said.

"It's not behind the lot of it, it's behind all of it. The theory is as solid as the universal theory of gravitation."


This is the perfect illustration why the climate change argument will never be resolved. There is a bias on both sides and the media and public does not do an adequate job of questioning statements made by either side of the argument.

I fully agree with Packham that bush fires are NOT CAUSED by climate change. I also agree with Packham that the dryness of the fuel is a very important factor when it comes bush fires (I am not sure if it is the most important as Packham states in the second interview). Therefore, if climate change is resulting in hotter, drier, windier conditions in Australia, is it not reasonable to question while there may not be more fires, forest fires may be bigger and more damaging?

In the interview Mallee posted, at about the 8:30 mark Packham actually says there are 3 things needed for a bush fire: hot, dry, windy conditions, an ignition source, and fuel. Without question, there is more fuel due to better fire control in Australia, just as there is in BC forests. And there will always be ignition sources whether lightning or man. Yet the interviewer does not question Packham if climate change is making Australia hotter, drier, and windier. If it is, could this not be a factor in bigger fires just as increased fuel is?

And a number of people keep posting that the CO2 (which is blamed for climate change) actually promotes greater plant growth, therefore climate change must be good. So is the reason the amount of fuel is increasing not only because of less controlled burning but could it also be a result of increased CO2 (therefore climate change)?

These are the questions which should be asked instead of news reporters trying to make this disaster about just one factor be it fuel load, arsonists, or climate change. There is no black and white answer - it is a combination of many factors.

No question, it is a disaster for many in Australia but I disagree with AF5 that this is not the time to discuss it. Thoughts and prayers do nothing to prevent further disasters.

[Guest]

What would you do with $190000 Mr Morrison

https://mobile.twitter.com/kezzeroz/status/1187857403376627712

[blackpowder]

Whatever caused the hot dry conditions.
The fuel load is from forest mismanagement.
Surely the wankers on here can just tip the hat to those in trouble and shut the hell up.

[farming101]

I hope Australia gets a break from the heat and fires next year. Terrible destruction, upheaval and cost.
BC caught a break this year.

[parsley]

sure doesn't stop you from discussing it every time you come on here though
why don't you talk about farming, grain prices , machinery purchases , **** , anything about agriculture would be welcome

Paid per word or per post ? He never shuts so maybe it’s by frequency. Bark bark bark bark every day, never ending jeez.

[jazz]

Sorry, but this has arson written all over it. No way fires could break out coast to coast spontaneously like that.

Dont hear much about Brazil now either. Thought the entire amazon was going down.

[fjlip]

Sorry, but this has arson written all over it. No way fires could break out coast to coast spontaneously like that.

Dont hear much about Brazil now either. Thought the entire amazon was going down.

That is what I was going to add, BC and AB fires were ARSON the RCMP said!

"scientists are saying that fires seasons will be longer and potentially more severe."
And those paid for liars can't prove SHIT! They say, well prove it! Impossible , it's another example of "believe"

[jazz]

Strange coincidence Autralia gets a climate denier govt and then this happens in his first yr in office.

Maybe mallee can elaborate but this looks to be a lot of open area grass fires too, not just bush. I see them trying to water bomb grass fires but see very little large equipment trying to guard or backburn these open areas.