Some footage

[sumdumguy]

So severe that they finally summoned the military to quash them. Little late, don't you think? Gotta feel sorry for the animals.

[sawfly1]

Whether global warming, or weather , it does not matter
Where you have heat and fuel , it will lead to fires.

There will always be an ignition source of some kind.
To come along, if you live by The CN mainline as I do and
conditions are right , the odds are 50/50 a train will start one a year .
I can only imagine the dangers at 40+ C.
Yes There may be odd cases of arson , but fuel and
Heat at some point will result in fire.

[LEP]

Whether global warming, or weather , it does not matter
Where you have heat and fuel , it will lead to fires.

There will always be an ignition source of some kind.
To come along, if you live by The CN mainline as I do and
conditions are right , the odds are 50/50 a train will start one a year .
I can only imagine the dangers at 40+ C.
Yes There may be odd cases of arson , but fuel and
Heat at some point will result in fire.

Read somewhere that more than half are started by people. But yes, in those hot dry conditions they are a powder keg. Here in Saskabush early spring and fall are our worst times for grassfires. Also mostly started by humans.

Last year, I witnessed two starting from people throwing cigarettes out the window. Don't know what people think hot, tinder dry and a gale blowing and they toss a lit butt out.

[chuckChuck]

Another quote from David Packham:
Update 14/11/19:

Speaking earlier this week, Mr Packham confirmed his position on what is causing the current severe bushfire conditions. Addressing the matter on Sky News, he said fuel loads remain the core issue.

"The most important (factor) is the dryness of the fuel, which comes from the hot dry weather," he said.

"It's not behind the lot of it, it's behind all of it. The theory is as solid as the universal theory of gravitation."


This is the perfect illustration why the climate change argument will never be resolved. There is a bias on both sides and the media and public does not do an adequate job of questioning statements made by either side of the argument.

I fully agree with Packham that bush fires are NOT CAUSED by climate change. I also agree with Packham that the dryness of the fuel is a very important factor when it comes bush fires (I am not sure if it is the most important as Packham states in the second interview). Therefore, if climate change is resulting in hotter, drier, windier conditions in Australia, is it not reasonable to question while there may not be more fires, forest fires may be bigger and more damaging?

In the interview Mallee posted, at about the 8:30 mark Packham actually says there are 3 things needed for a bush fire: hot, dry, windy conditions, an ignition source, and fuel. Without question, there is more fuel due to better fire control in Australia, just as there is in BC forests. And there will always be ignition sources whether lightning or man. Yet the interviewer does not question Packham if climate change is making Australia hotter, drier, and windier. If it is, could this not be a factor in bigger fires just as increased fuel is?

And a number of people keep posting that the CO2 (which is blamed for climate change) actually promotes greater plant growth, therefore climate change must be good. So is the reason the amount of fuel is increasing not only because of less controlled burning but could it also be a result of increased CO2 (therefore climate change)?

These are the questions which should be asked instead of news reporters trying to make this disaster about just one factor be it fuel load, arsonists, or climate change. There is no black and white answer - it is a combination of many factors.

No question, it is a disaster for many in Australia but I disagree with AF5 that this is not the time to discuss it. Thoughts and prayers do nothing to prevent further disasters.

I agree the first thing is empathy and support.

The prevailing thinking on Agriville is climate change is not occurring, no connection to forest fires, carbon emissions don't matter, business as usual.

No one season is an indicator of climate change. Forest and bush fires are complex. Normal weather variabilty plays a role. But it's obvious that a warming and drying climate trends such as what is occurring in Australia and on North America's west coast are going to lead to more and larger fires.

Because we have research and our own experience with fires in Canada I posted science from BC that shows a direct link between climate change and forest fires.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html

And I also posted 10 years of wildfire averages in BC

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages

The response? No science to counter what I posted about BC.

[jazz]

Because we have research and our own experience with fires in Canada I posted science from BC that shows a direct link between climate change and forest fires.

So forest fires are getting worse, due to more people on the planet exhaling CO2 but less of them dying and less total wild fires ?

Square that logic.

[chuckChuck]

Both charts are interesting.

But deaths from climate catastrophes are likely to be lower from the early 20th century as a result of rural populations moving to cities, economic development and better management and prevention of human disasters.

Chart 2 shows that post war the US may have invested more resources in fire fighting that likely reduced the acres burned.

It also shows a clear trend of increase in in acres burned from the 1970s to 2010 which fits with the impact of climate change.

Its hard to draw any conclusions from the charts without taking in the multitude of factors that may be involved.

[flea beetle]

Maybe the climate change crazies should volunteer to leave the planet first since climate change is after all caused by humans. They are part of the problem, and no matter how much they curb their emissions, will still be ruining the planet. Us deniers promise to follow once they practice what they preach. Until then, F off.

[LWeber]

I agree the first thing is empathy and support.

The prevailing thinking on Agriville is climate change is not occurring, no connection to forest fires, carbon emissions don't matter, business as usual.

No one season is an indicator of climate change. Forest and bush fires are complex. Normal weather variabilty plays a role. But it's obvious that a warming and drying climate trends such as what is occurring in Australia and on North America's west coast are going to lead to more and larger fires.

Because we have research and our own experience with fires in Canada I posted science from BC that shows a direct link between climate change and forest fires.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html

And I also posted 10 years of wildfire averages in BC

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages

The response? No science to counter what I posted about BC.

You spent 3 to 5 years dodging, evading and avoiding questions regarding grain marketing.

It is blasphemous that you, who supposedly makes a living farmer, didn't put the same amount of time into researching and questioning the CWB practices, instead of taking one man's peer reviewed (farm joke of a lifetime) conclusions. You would not have to hide like a Nazi war criminal behind ChuckChuck and you could post pictures of your electric vehicles that we could all be in awe of and be less of a hypocrite than you are in here, every single day.


"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all."

John F. Kennedy

[jazz]

Its hard to draw any conclusions from the charts without taking in the multitude of factors that may be involved.

Huh? Of course it is. Deaths from any climate or natural disaster event are significantly reduced with our own progress in spite of the fact we have industrialized using FF and tripled the population. Its clear as day.

Humans have now progressed so far that they actually intervene in natural disasters preventing them from happening or lessening their impacts greatly.

THERE IS NO CRISIS

[agstar77]

Solace for 500 million animals killed in Australia. Nothing to see here.

[jazz]

Solace for 500 million animals killed in Australia. Nothing to see here.

Did you shed a tear for the 4 million little kids that died last year on planet earth from disease, malnutrition, war and poverty? Or did you not know about that?

If you want to make an argument about overpopulation and people living in areas where they shouldn't due to risk to the local environment then by all means. And discuss what that actually means for fixing the problem because it wont be pretty.

But don't hide out under the guise of fake climate science.

[jazz]

Never listen to MSM hysteria, do some research.

[burnt]

arson crisis

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/we-dont-just-have-a-bushfire-crisis-we-have-an-arson-crisis-too/ https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/we-dont-just-have-a-bushfire-crisis-we-have-an-arson-crisis-too/

[fjlip]

Great replies guys! You DESTROYED "that person's" crap load of Climate horseshit!

Fires down, deaths down, what crisis? Enjoy living today, never been better, stop the scaremongering!

[farmaholic]

Only humans possess enough arrogance and hubris to think they can control and out-wit Mother Nature, on both sides of this painfully exhausting topic.

2020 will be the year to reflect on the past with perfect hindsight. Future predictions will carry on blindly.....as always.

There's very little content discussed here anymore that interests me or makes me want to be part of this forum.
It has completely lost its way.