Some footage

[farming101]

I hope Australia gets a break from the heat and fires next year. Terrible destruction, upheaval and cost.
BC caught a break this year.

[parsley]

sure doesn't stop you from discussing it every time you come on here though
why don't you talk about farming, grain prices , machinery purchases , **** , anything about agriculture would be welcome

Paid per word or per post ? He never shuts so maybe it’s by frequency. Bark bark bark bark every day, never ending jeez.

[jazz]

Sorry, but this has arson written all over it. No way fires could break out coast to coast spontaneously like that.

Dont hear much about Brazil now either. Thought the entire amazon was going down.

[fjlip]

Sorry, but this has arson written all over it. No way fires could break out coast to coast spontaneously like that.

Dont hear much about Brazil now either. Thought the entire amazon was going down.

That is what I was going to add, BC and AB fires were ARSON the RCMP said!

"scientists are saying that fires seasons will be longer and potentially more severe."
And those paid for liars can't prove SHIT! They say, well prove it! Impossible , it's another example of "believe"

[jazz]

Strange coincidence Autralia gets a climate denier govt and then this happens in his first yr in office.

Maybe mallee can elaborate but this looks to be a lot of open area grass fires too, not just bush. I see them trying to water bomb grass fires but see very little large equipment trying to guard or backburn these open areas.

[sumdumguy]

So severe that they finally summoned the military to quash them. Little late, don't you think? Gotta feel sorry for the animals.

[sawfly1]

Whether global warming, or weather , it does not matter
Where you have heat and fuel , it will lead to fires.

There will always be an ignition source of some kind.
To come along, if you live by The CN mainline as I do and
conditions are right , the odds are 50/50 a train will start one a year .
I can only imagine the dangers at 40+ C.
Yes There may be odd cases of arson , but fuel and
Heat at some point will result in fire.

[LEP]

Whether global warming, or weather , it does not matter
Where you have heat and fuel , it will lead to fires.

There will always be an ignition source of some kind.
To come along, if you live by The CN mainline as I do and
conditions are right , the odds are 50/50 a train will start one a year .
I can only imagine the dangers at 40+ C.
Yes There may be odd cases of arson , but fuel and
Heat at some point will result in fire.

Read somewhere that more than half are started by people. But yes, in those hot dry conditions they are a powder keg. Here in Saskabush early spring and fall are our worst times for grassfires. Also mostly started by humans.

Last year, I witnessed two starting from people throwing cigarettes out the window. Don't know what people think hot, tinder dry and a gale blowing and they toss a lit butt out.

[chuckChuck]

Another quote from David Packham:
Update 14/11/19:

Speaking earlier this week, Mr Packham confirmed his position on what is causing the current severe bushfire conditions. Addressing the matter on Sky News, he said fuel loads remain the core issue.

"The most important (factor) is the dryness of the fuel, which comes from the hot dry weather," he said.

"It's not behind the lot of it, it's behind all of it. The theory is as solid as the universal theory of gravitation."


This is the perfect illustration why the climate change argument will never be resolved. There is a bias on both sides and the media and public does not do an adequate job of questioning statements made by either side of the argument.

I fully agree with Packham that bush fires are NOT CAUSED by climate change. I also agree with Packham that the dryness of the fuel is a very important factor when it comes bush fires (I am not sure if it is the most important as Packham states in the second interview). Therefore, if climate change is resulting in hotter, drier, windier conditions in Australia, is it not reasonable to question while there may not be more fires, forest fires may be bigger and more damaging?

In the interview Mallee posted, at about the 8:30 mark Packham actually says there are 3 things needed for a bush fire: hot, dry, windy conditions, an ignition source, and fuel. Without question, there is more fuel due to better fire control in Australia, just as there is in BC forests. And there will always be ignition sources whether lightning or man. Yet the interviewer does not question Packham if climate change is making Australia hotter, drier, and windier. If it is, could this not be a factor in bigger fires just as increased fuel is?

And a number of people keep posting that the CO2 (which is blamed for climate change) actually promotes greater plant growth, therefore climate change must be good. So is the reason the amount of fuel is increasing not only because of less controlled burning but could it also be a result of increased CO2 (therefore climate change)?

These are the questions which should be asked instead of news reporters trying to make this disaster about just one factor be it fuel load, arsonists, or climate change. There is no black and white answer - it is a combination of many factors.

No question, it is a disaster for many in Australia but I disagree with AF5 that this is not the time to discuss it. Thoughts and prayers do nothing to prevent further disasters.

I agree the first thing is empathy and support.

The prevailing thinking on Agriville is climate change is not occurring, no connection to forest fires, carbon emissions don't matter, business as usual.

No one season is an indicator of climate change. Forest and bush fires are complex. Normal weather variabilty plays a role. But it's obvious that a warming and drying climate trends such as what is occurring in Australia and on North America's west coast are going to lead to more and larger fires.

Because we have research and our own experience with fires in Canada I posted science from BC that shows a direct link between climate change and forest fires.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-columbia.html

And I also posted 10 years of wildfire averages in BC

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...dfire-averages

The response? No science to counter what I posted about BC.

[jazz]

Because we have research and our own experience with fires in Canada I posted science from BC that shows a direct link between climate change and forest fires.

So forest fires are getting worse, due to more people on the planet exhaling CO2 but less of them dying and less total wild fires ?

Square that logic.