Lets Do This Then

[ajl]

Wow even a far left rag like the grope and flail has recognized that president Trump is right and talking heads wrong. That is quite the feat. Of course they have to put nonsense in like "president Trump has alienated allies and the american public blah, blah, blah" which of course destroys their own credibility but at least they got the first part right. Reality is that the president was simply not going to appeal to empty heads anyways and they are not allies. Kudos to you president Trump for once again masterfully handling the Iran situation and making the world a wee bit safer for the rest of us.

[dmlfarmer]

Israel probably ceases to exist at some point, demographics are against it. Probably someday looking at that population being reabsorbed into EU, USA, Russia. 15m wont stand against 1B no matter how good your army is. To defend that sliver of land you need to accept that you are going to nuke several capitals in the arab region.

My fear of nukes is greatly diminished after what I have seen from Iran and NK. They have barely perfected precision guidance, haven't even created a functional warhead yet, haven't miniaturized it and have shown no evidence these weapons are ready for high altitude use. They have a long way to go. US probably has energy weapons perfected by that time.

Wow. You are really naïve. You think Israel, which likely has 80 nuclear bombs, is going to disappear without a fight? Do you really think the Jews or Christians are any more willing than Muslims to give up their holiest site on the planet?

Nor do nuclear bombs need to be delivered ballisticly. The only two atomic bombs actually used in battle were dropped from a plane, not by missile. Or they could simply be loaded on a truck or boat for delivery to a port or city. Miniaturization is not a requirement. The technology for building the actual bomb is readily available, if is obtaining the highly refined fissionable material that is the major stumbling block and is what the treaty with Iran attempted to prevent. Now that treaty is gone, Iran is already ramping up refinement to 20% - still a long way from bomb grade but good enough for a dirty bomb.

And you ignore the fact that NK has already exploded nuclear devices and continues to stockpile bomb material and is back testing missiles. NK played Trump like a fiddle and Iran's response has already resulted in Trump backing down.

[ajl]

Christians do not actually have a holy site on earth. Jesus himself makes that clear in John 18:36: where He states "My kingdom is not of this world" There are places in Israel where the events of the Bible did take place on earth but there are not holy sites so that is why Christians have not defended them. This is one of many things that makes Christianity distinct from the rest of the worlds religions.

[Oliver88]

U.S. military now confirming Iran shot down passenger plane that had 63 Canadians.

It’s now Skippy’s move.

[TSIPP]

The bearded lady’s going to do nuffin

[agstar77]

Well now we have the unintended consequences.

[dmlfarmer]

Christians do not actually have a holy site on earth. Jesus himself makes that clear in John 18:36: where He states "My kingdom is not of this world" There are places in Israel where the events of the Bible did take place on earth but there are not holy sites so that is why Christians have not defended them. This is one of many things that makes Christianity distinct from the rest of the worlds religions.

Apparently you have never heard of the Crusades. You must be unaware that in religious wars "Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times." I assume you are unware that Christians have been making pilgrimages to Jerusalem and Bethlehem for the last 2000 years. I encourage you to visit and study how the old city of Jerusalem was divided into the 4 quarters for the 4 religions who do consider the site holy, including the Christian quarter.

Jesus said a lot of things that even deeply religious people do not always follow to his word, like render unto Caesar what is Caesar's or you cannot love both God and money. So to claim that because Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world means that there are no Christian holy sites is absurd.

[jazz]

Wow. You are really naïve. You think Israel, which likely has 80 nuclear bombs, is going to disappear without a fight? Do you really think the Jews or Christians are any more willing than Muslims to give up their holiest site on the planet?

This isn't the crusades anymore. Without the US or NATO as an ally willing to lay devastation to the region, Israel faces some severe challenges.

First they have a growing muslim minority right in their population. That will be their first challenge. You have proxies right on their doorstep and you have growing regional powers like Turkey who has a comparable army. When you start nuking muslims by the millions the blowback is going to be pretty swift and without the US in there, not sure how Israel could survive a wave like that. The first attack might be a suitcase nuke in Tel Aviv.

[Taiga]

We have seen how Trump/US responds to aggression and terror, let’s see how Trudeau/Freeland/Canada responds to the Canadians killed in the shot down plane.

Unfortunately past history does not indicate much reason for optimism (paying terrorists, bringing them home, tweeting empty threats that do more damage, disappearing in silence, etc).

[dmlfarmer]

This isn't the crusades anymore. Without the US or NATO as an ally willing to lay devastation to the region, Israel faces some severe challenges.

First they have a growing muslim minority right in their population. That will be their first challenge. You have proxies right on their doorstep and you have growing regional powers like Turkey who has a comparable army. When you start nuking muslims by the millions the blowback is going to be pretty swift and without the US in there, not sure how Israel could survive a wave like that. The first attack might be a suitcase nuke in Tel Aviv.

Jazz you predict that: "Israel probably ceases to exist at some point" Given this view, what does Israel have to lose if their future is becoming refugees once more, this time back in the EU or Russia, or even the US. As a nuclear nation, they have the power themselves to lay devastation to the entire region without any US backing. Go there and see for yourself the love these people have for their country and then tell me 15,000,000 people will be peacefully displaced from lands they consider theirs, holy, and promised to them by the world and God.

[furrowtickler]

Wow. You are really naïve. You think Israel, which likely has 80 nuclear bombs, is going to disappear without a fight? Do you really think the Jews or Christians are any more willing than Muslims to give up their holiest site on the planet?

Nor do nuclear bombs need to be delivered ballisticly. The only two atomic bombs actually used in battle were dropped from a plane, not by missile. Or they could simply be loaded on a truck or boat for delivery to a port or city. Miniaturization is not a requirement. The technology for building the actual bomb is readily available, if is obtaining the highly refined fissionable material that is the major stumbling block and is what the treaty with Iran attempted to prevent. Now that treaty is gone, Iran is already ramping up refinement to 20% - still a long way from bomb grade but good enough for a dirty bomb.

And you ignore the fact that NK has already exploded nuclear devices and continues to stockpile bomb material and is back testing missiles. NK played Trump like a fiddle and Iran's response has already resulted in Trump backing down.

NK has no oil

[shtferbrains]

If your ready to grind though about 45 minutes of reading you might end up realizing how little we know about the middle east. Basic recap of Qassem Suleimani and how he mastered statecraft.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander

Makes you realize yet again what a bunch of bobble heads MSM expect their reporters to be.

I actually picked up this link from a CBC reporters twitter feed.

She was much more restrained in her editor approved report.

Have to say I found this very scary how long this guy was around. He made Bin Ladin look like a boy scout.

Have to remember this was written in 2013.