Electricity in Alberta today

[shtferbrains]

Solar output should be checked on December 21st and multiplied by 365.

Or you can check the capacity factor for the year or last 5 years on the western interconnect and use that.
What's your research tell you that is?

[chuckChuck]

As various provinces are hitting record peak summer electricity demand because of the heatwave, solar is providing some of the supply. It is well matched to AC demand and is adding to the total available supply.

By late afternoon if your house has been cooled all day by AC running on solar, the AC can be turned off and windows opened as the evening cools down. if you have a large heat/cool sink built into your house design then that will continue to keep the house cooler.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Or you can check the capacity factor for the year or last 5 years on the western interconnect and use that.
What's your research tell you that is?

I like to use this one...

https://www.dispatcho.app/assets/solar https://www.dispatcho.app/assets/solar

Shows the total generated for 24h, 7 day, 1 month, etc with a nice graph as well. The AESO one is trash because it just shows an instantaneous value.

[shtferbrains]

Still says it has run at 15.4% capacity factor.
Equivalent to one day a week.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Still says it has run at 15.4% capacity factor.
Equivalent to one day a week.

Which one are you referring to? It is true that a solar array will not produce its 100% maximum output for 24 hours a day. Its energy output increases towards solar noon and then decreases before night (bell curve).

A lawyer makes $200/h and works 10h for a total of $2000. Do you accept this or do you say that $2000/24h = $83.33/h ? What is the true wage of this lawyer per hour?

[chuckChuck]

Some people are missing the main point of why utilities are investing in cleaner low carbon emission renewables. They are the lowest cost way to cut carbon emissions.

Renewables reduce the total usage of high carbon emission fuels. We still need reliable base and peak load capacity. Hydro can supply large amounts of that in many parts of Canada.

In other parts,we will need to rely on fossil sources until other cleaner low carbon sources and renewable storage are developed.

On a global scale there are massive amounts of renewable energy available for development that far exceed what we need. Its time to stop dismissing the role renewables will play.

Agriculture is an industry that is totally reliant on solar energy, most of which is only usable in Canada for well less than half a year. Its ironic to see some farmers so negative about solar energy.

[Hamloc]

Some people are missing the main point of why utilities are investing in cleaner low carbon emission renewables. They are the lowest cost way to cut carbon emissions.

Renewables reduce the total usage of high carbon emission fuels. We still need reliable base and peak load capacity. Hydro can supply large amounts of that in many parts of Canada.

In other parts,we will need to rely on fossil sources until other cleaner low carbon sources and renewable storage are developed.

On a global scale there are massive amounts of renewable energy available for development that far exceed what we need. Its time to stop dismissing the role renewables will play.

Agriculture is an industry that is totally reliant on solar energy, most of which is only usable in Canada for well less than half a year. Its ironic to see some farmers so negative about solar energy.

Chuck2 with agriculture we certainly grow grain with solar energy but we harvest that grain, store it and can have access to that harvest at any time of the year. With solar generated electricity you only have access to the electricity when the sun is shining, no affordable storage is available on a practical scale as of yet.

China at present manufactures 80% of the world’s solar panels. Would you want China supplying 80% of our food? Do you think any country should supply 80% of our future energy hardware needs? Let alone a communist country like China?!

It takes roughly 5-6 acres of land area to generate 1 megawatt of electricity from solar panels. Alberta consumes up to 11000 megawatts of electricity. So almost 60000 acres would need to be covered with solar panels that would produce f**k all when the sun isn’t shining!! During the latest heatwave AESO in Alberta was telling consumers not to charge electrical devices including electric cars between 4 and 7 pm! Need I go on?!

[Guest]

Canada plans to ban all sales of fuel powered light trucks and cars by 2035. Is it possible to have the power
capabilities by then? Given our record of investment in this country I have my doubts. The average vehicle lifespan would be about 10 years making 2045 the timeline to have a massive upgrade. In small countries with good public transit it is more feasible and the fact that so many countries have invested in high speed trains etc, meanwhile we do nothing of the sort. For example, a high speed rail between Edmonton and Calgary never gets past the discussion stage.


https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ban-sale-new-fuel-powered-cars-light-trucks-2035-2021-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ban-sale-new-fuel-powered-cars-light-trucks-2035-2021-06-29/

Rolling blackouts
You think these pricks can see that far ahead

[Guest]

As various provinces are hitting record peak summer electricity demand because of the heatwave, solar is providing some of the supply. It is well matched to AC demand and is adding to the total available supply.

By late afternoon if your house has been cooled all day by AC running on solar, the AC can be turned off and windows opened as the evening cools down. if you have a large heat/cool sink built into your house design then that will continue to keep the house cooler.

****
Open your windows here at night and you will have company
Don’t tell me you can open your windows at night in Meota ?

[blackpowder]

Canada plans to ban all sales of fuel powered light trucks and cars by 2035. Is it possible to have the power
capabilities by then? Given our record of investment in this country I have my doubts. The average vehicle lifespan would be about 10 years making 2045 the timeline to have a massive upgrade. In small countries with good public transit it is more feasible and the fact that so many countries have invested in high speed trains etc, meanwhile we do nothing of the sort. For example, a high speed rail between Edmonton and Calgary never gets past the discussion stage.


https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ban-sale-new-fuel-powered-cars-light-trucks-2035-2021-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ban-sale-new-fuel-powered-cars-light-trucks-2035-2021-06-29/

Whomever is in Ottawa in 2035 will modify this little edict to suit the day.
Present technology and infrastructure suggests impossible.
This ain't Cuba. We can't fix the current vehicles for decades.
Or drive 600 km in the -40 to get to a doctor's appointment.
Just another empty bombast from the Emerald City. Trudeau for the win.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

What does this chart show?
Here's the link since posting pictures on this website is broken....

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/

[AlbertaFarmer5]

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What does this chart show?
Here's the link since posting pictures on this website is broken....

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/

This chart shows that if you ignore all the real world evidence that unreliables always result in much higher costs to the end users due to all the factors ignored in the LCOE analysis. Please prove me wrong with a real world example.

And that if society were satisfied to only consume energy when the unreliables randomly produce it, those LCOE values would have some merit.

And that if you ignore the heavy environmental cost burden added to all reliable energy sources and completely neglected for unreliables, then question how long that will continue.

[Hamloc]

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What does this chart show?
Here's the link since posting pictures on this website is broken....

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electricity-from-renewable-energy-sources-is-now-cheaper-than-ever/

So here is what I don’t get, let’s say solar generated electricity is the cheapest method of generating electricity during a sunny afternoon what is the cheapest, most dependable and most practical way of generating electricity in the middle of the night?! Conversely do you believe having 2 or most likely 3 methods(solar backed by wind backed by natural gas) of generating the same consumable kilowatt of electricity really benefits the environment? Does having 3 forms of infrastructure instead of 1 increase consumers cost of electricity? Do they factor this in when they publish the cost of generating renewable electricity?

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

So here is what I don’t get, let’s say solar generated electricity is the cheapest method of generating electricity during a sunny afternoon what is the cheapest, most dependable and most practical way of generating electricity in the middle of the night?! Conversely do you believe having 2 or most likely 3 methods(solar backed by wind backed by natural gas) of generating the same consumable kilowatt of electricity really benefits the environment? Does having 3 forms of infrastructure instead of 1 increase consumers cost of electricity? Do they factor this in when they publish the cost of generating renewable electricity?

The point of the chart is that solar cost per MWh is down 90% in the last 11 years.
2009: $359/MWh
2020: $37/MWh
2030: ???

[Hamloc]

The point of the chart is that solar cost per MWh is down 90% in the last 11 years.
2009: $359/MWh
2020: $37/MWh
2030: ???

In 2009 China produced 35% of the worlds solar panels, today China produces 80% of the worlds solar panels. No domestic production in Canada and I believe one producer left in the U.S.

How much does is cost to generate solar power during the night? You didn’t respond to any of my questions on post 52 or 59 and of course Chuck2 didn’t respond either!

As I have said many many times, I am not against solar power, I am against it being promoted as the only answer and renewables are promoted as the only solution and I don’t agree, that simple.