Scotland 100% Renewable, Almost

[tweety]

Hilarious responses!

[Hamloc]

Hilarious responses!

Tweety it would appear that you consider yourself far more intelligent than any other contributor on Agriville so please explain to me how during Alberta's cold snap last week all of our electrical needs could have been supplied by wind and solar!?!? Please use actual reported output levels of each generation source!

[grassfarmer]

Tweety it would appear that you consider yourself far more intelligent than any other contributor on Agriville so please explain to me how during Alberta's cold snap last week all of our electrical needs could have been supplied by wind and solar!?!? Please use actual reported output levels of each generation source!

He never claimed that Hamloc, just highlighted the success they are having with it in Scotland. As you have said before you support solar or wind generation where it's viable and feasible so why not congratulate Scotland on their success instead of turning it into the same old p##%$%$ match over again?

[tweety]

He never claimed that Hamloc, just highlighted the success they are having with it in Scotland. As you have said before you support solar or wind generation where it's viable and feasible so why not congratulate Scotland on their success instead of turning it into the same old p##%$%$ match over again?

Exactly Grassfarmer. Why hate them for taking advantage of their environment? Their will to make it work?

Alberta has many such opportunities but..... What has Albertan done? Cut all funding to renewable projects and research. ****ing brilliant.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I have been following Scotlands adventures in wind power, and it appears to be the closest thing to a success story I have seen. Scotland has the best wind resources in Europe, and apparently also some of the most consistent. I haven't found any historical data for wind power output or wind speed for areas of Scotland specifically, does it never quit blowing? Perhaps Grassfarmer can comment, I haven't yet had the pleasure of visiting the old country to verify for myself.
I did find the data for UK in general here: http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
And it appears that wind power does drop very close to zero occasionally:


Their system of integrating wind generation has somewhat shielded the customers from the high costs of wind power. They instead get to pay it indirectly through taxes by guaranteeing the price paid to wind generators:

According to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), the cost of subsidising renewable power this year will amount to £6.0bn. Of this, the Committee on Climate Change estimate that £3.1bn will go to wind farms.

By 2021, subsidies for wind will have increased to £7.1bn, as capacity grows. This equates to £265 per household.

That equates to $456 CAD per household. And is only one of many ways the renewables are being subsidised: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/wind-power-some-basic-facts/ https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/wind-power-some-basic-facts/ The article is from 2017, if the situation has improved perhaps someone can find more recent info?

The Scottish grid being integrated with the rest of the UK, where the total wind power is still only~19%, providing a sizable backup and place to dump excess. Yet it still resulted in a blackout in August of 2019.

Scotland also has pumped hydro storage, and lots of elevation to make that possible.

My sister did visit Scotland (not sure which regions) last year, and apparently the sun shone one day, which was quite a rare treat according to the locals. Needless to say solar doesn't seem to be catching on in a big way. But in the rest of the UK where they keep trying solar in spite of some obvious limitations, it has been an excellent way to generate subsidies:

[tweety]

30 to 40 billion is given to oil and gas subsidies annually. Would go a long way to helping out developing renewables, but no way.

[Hamloc]

Exactly Grassfarmer. Why hate them for taking advantage of their environment? Their will to make it work?

Alberta has many such opportunities but..... What has Albertan done? Cut all funding to renewable projects and research. ****ing brilliant.

Well Tweety still waiting for an answer to my question. What amazes me is the refusal to admit that wind and solar are intermittent sources of power. Tweety your highlighting of Scotland's geographical ability to produce wind energy insinuates that the same thing could and should be done here.

[15444]

All that amazing prosperity and innovation and people still want to leave that shithole.

[chuckChuck]

Well Tweety still waiting for an answer to my question. What amazes me is the refusal to admit that wind and solar are intermittent sources of power. Tweety your highlighting of Scotland's geographical ability to produce wind energy insinuates that the same thing could and should be done here.

Wind and solar are intermittent unless they can store their energy which is already happening in some jurisdictions. There is no dispute there. And renewables are being used here across north america already.

Even coal plants don't run all the time. They need to be shut down for maintenance and rebuilds.

Scotland, Denmark, Germany, India, China, USA, Canada and many other countries are all using varying percentages of renewables.

The IEA and Bloomberg are forecasting significant growth and investment in renewables as they are cost competitive and reduce carbon emissions.

Should we still be using rotary dial telephones? You are not going to stop the worlds progress towards reduced carbon emissions. Business and governments are largely on side except for the lagards in the fossil fuel industry who are worried.

[Hamloc]

Wind and solar are intermittent unless they can store their energy which is already happening in some jurisdictions. There is no dispute there. And renewables are being used here across north america already.

Even coal plants don't run all the time. They need to be shut down for maintenance and rebuilds.

Scotland, Denmark, Germany, India, China, USA, Canada and many other countries are all using varying percentages of renewables.

The IEA and Bloomberg are forecasting significant growth and investment in renewables as they are cost competitive and reduce carbon emissions.

Should we still be using rotary dial telephones? You are not going to stop the worlds progress towards reduced carbon emissions. Business and governments are largely on side except for the lagards in the fossil fuel industry who are worried.

To survive the last cold snap in Alberta you would have had to be able to store enough electricity for 6 days of consumption, I personally think that is logistically impossible. Wind produced virtually no electricity for 6 days.

I have nothing against producing carbon free energy, nuclear and Hydro make sense to me. Wind and solar are fine when they are used for intermittent top ups of the grid but not as a total replacement. The Greens and the NDP foolishly believe wind and solar can replace thermal generation, this is the policy I object to!!!