Scotland 100% Renewable, Almost

[tweety]

Tweety, don't lower yourself to Chuck's level of attacking the messenger or the source. You are better than that and smarter than that and more than capable of checking the numbers and the sources and formulating a mature response. Leave the messenger attacks to the Chuck's of the world who lack the knowledge and credentials to do anything more.

One of the few times where it is worth going there for. OECD numbers aren't out of line. Pathetic subsidies closer to home? Farm soccer mom filling up the Lexus with purple because it has farm plates.

What is current level of subsidies for renewable energy in Canada?

[jazz]

What is current level of subsidies for renewable energy in Canada?

Carbon tax. $150M alone GST on the tax. So if GST is 5%, that means the carbon tax is bringing in $3B.

There's your golden subsidy. Tax gouge topped off with a tax on a tax. Don't you just love socialism. What better subsidy than that. Are they doing anything with it? $3B buys a lot of windmills. Where are they?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oh, the article written by a guy with a BA in Psych and a certificate in Massage Therapy? He is also a Climate "Specialist".

You don't have to read the analysis of the paper if you don't like the author, you could always read the original paper itself. Either way, I would be interested in discussing the issue after you read it.

[chuckChuck]

No doubt Saskpower, North Dakota, Scotland, Denmark, Germany etc are all wrong, renewables don't work! LOL

The IEA and Bloomberg are just a bunch of left wing environmentalists with their forecasts of more and cheaper renewables.

[Hamloc]

Well, shouldn't we at least do something? Instead, you fold your arms and say, "Nope, nothing to do here, let the next generation worry about it".

Haven't we already screwed over the next generation enough with our excessive greed, overspending and waste? Nice legacy we are leaving. May as well use up all the practically free non renewable energy as fast as possible as well.

Coastal tides and coastal wind are very good sources of power. Scotland could have just as easily been like Alberta and said, screw it, oil companies need the money. Pretty embarrassing - or at least it should be.

So I am curious do you read all my posts? As I said above I have no problem with nuclear and hydroelectric generation. And as I have said in the past I have no problem with wind and solar being used for intermittent top ups. But in case you haven't noticed the Praires do not have access to coastal tides and coastal winds! If you said to me Jason Kenney is too focused on the oil industry I would agree 100% but when it is -40 you need a heat and electricity source you can depend on and I don't believe that is wind and solar.

[fjlip]

No doubt Saskpower, North Dakota, Scotland, Denmark, Germany etc are all wrong, renewables don't work! LOL

The IEA and Bloomberg are just a bunch of left wing environmentalists with their forecasts of more and cheaper renewables.

Sure looks WRONG/DUMB to most of us...

[tweety]

Carbon tax. $150M alone GST on the tax. So if GST is 5%, that means the carbon tax is bringing in $3B.

There's your golden subsidy. Tax gouge topped off with a tax on a tax. Don't you just love socialism. What better subsidy than that. Are they doing anything with it? $3B buys a lot of windmills. Where are they?

Carbon tax isn't a subsidy to renewable energy.

[tweety]

Which do you think cost more and takes more effort?

1. Research and develop new systems that convert/produce energy from basically limitless energy sources (waves, sun, wind, geothermal)

2. **** the ground till the stored energy is gone and pretend it will last forever (by forever i mean your own lifetime)

There is a shocking theme on here by the majority. Don't do any renewable energy until it costs less then just burning stored energy. It is very easy to spend money from someone else's savings account rather then making money sustainably in your own. This unfortunately is how renewable energy is viewed, that spending money from someone else's savings account is a viable long term strategy.

[Hamloc]

Carbon tax isn't a subsidy to renewable energy.

Actually Tweety in Alberta under the former NDP government roughly 1/3 of the C02 tax went to subsidize solar installations and other programs like installation of more energy efficient lighting and to fund rebates for installing more energy efficient heating systems. Justin Trudeau's new tax is really just an income transfer from energy intensive industries to city dwellers.


In your next post you lecture us on our concern of the cost of electrical generation. Actually my main concern is that electricity won't be available when needed due to the dependence on intermittent rather than proven sources of generation.

[jazz]

Which do you think cost more and takes more effort?

How are you going to mine the lithium, cobalt, manganese and other rare elements to created your renewable utopia. They are in way shorter supply than hydrocarbons. A good portion of them are lying on the ocean floor. Should we dreg them up? That seems a little disruptive.

To convert an average country like the UK to all renewables and electric vehicles would require doubling the output of all of those rare elements. Guess we can ask china to do it so your feel better and don't have to see the open mines.

[Goodtime]

Which do you think cost more and takes more effort?

1. Research and develop new systems that convert/produce energy from basically limitless energy sources (waves, sun, wind, geothermal)

2. **** the ground till the stored energy is gone and pretend it will last forever (by forever i mean your own lifetime)

There is a shocking theme on here by the majority. Don't do any renewable energy until it costs less then just burning stored energy. It is very easy to spend money from someone else's savings account rather then making money sustainably in your own. This unfortunately is how renewable energy is viewed, that spending money from someone else's savings account is a viable long term strategy.

Can someone cue the violins?

[furrowtickler]

Spending money from someone else’s savings account is exactly what carbon tax is all about

[tweety]

Actually Tweety in Alberta under the former NDP government roughly 1/3 of the C02 tax went to subsidize solar installations and other programs like installation of more energy efficient lighting and to fund rebates for installing more energy efficient heating systems. Justin Trudeau's new tax is really just an income transfer from energy intensive industries to city dwellers.


In your next post you lecture us on our concern of the cost of electrical generation. Actually my main concern is that electricity won't be available when needed due to the dependence on intermittent rather than proven sources of generation.

There will be proven sources of power as long as we can just pull them from the ground. As i said above, not a problem for our generation, so let's just take that stored energy and use it up. Screw the future generations, let them figure it out.