Dont Call It Global Warming

[tweety]

No, you are right, I did not look hard enough to find an archived article from NASA from 10 years ago containing the disclaimer that it is based on the best available science of the day, and is not being updated.
And did you note that it is based on the now thoroughly discredited temperature reconstruction done by the disgraced Micheal Mann?

I see that NASA is slowly distancing themselves from that position, and coming more inline with accepted science. As of 2016, they have reduced the claim down to unprecedented in the last 1000 years:


There is also this quote from 2016, but it is from the Guardian, so apparently it doesn't count:



Is the year 500 just a random number, or a cherry picked starting date?

Good to see at least you agree the climate is warming.....

[fjlip]

Good to see at least you agree the climate is warming.....

Since the ice age, mini ice age, absolutely, and WHO wishes it was COOLING since then????

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good to see at least you agree the climate is warming.....

Never argued with that, we are fortunate enough to live in the warming phase, on a couple of different time scales, all within an extended interglacial.

Do you have any response to the post I made regarding the NASA article and the not so unprecedented rate of warming? Or just change the subject?

[jazz]

Never argued with that, we are fortunate enough to live in the warming phase, on a couple of different time scales, all within an extended interglacial.

Oh I argue with that. There is nothing outside the realm of normal fluctuations of a volatile, chaotic and unbalanced system.

If the earth was warming, the hottest records would be happening now, not 100 yrs ago. The theory clearly states we will experience higher highs. Well no records in danger of being broken since this theory started. Hottest day on record is in Sask in the 1930s and only a handful of extreme temps recorded within the last 30 yrs. The records should be falling like dominoes.

I would like to hear climate theory explain this. And don't give me that 30 yr averages bunk again.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oh I argue with that. There is nothing outside the realm of normal fluctuations of a volatile, chaotic and unbalanced system.

If the earth was warming, the hottest records would be happening now, not 100 yrs ago. The theory clearly states we will experience higher highs. Well no records in danger of being broken since this theory started. Hottest day on record is in Sask in the 1930s and only a handful of extreme temps recorded within the last 30 yrs. The records should be falling like dominoes.

I would like to hear climate theory explain this. And don't give me that 30 yr averages bunk again.

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We were in a warming trend from the late 70's until recently. Also in a warming trend since the depths of the little ice age, not yet clear if the peak is behind us, or yet to come, all Within a long term cooling trend, with lower highs and lower lows for the past few thousand years.

[farming101]

It's not getting hotter, it's getting milder.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It's not getting hotter, it's getting milder.

Yes, by all measures. But climate improvement just doesn't scare the children very effectively.

[tweety]

Never argued with that, we are fortunate enough to live in the warming phase, on a couple of different time scales, all within an extended interglacial.

Do you have any response to the post I made regarding the NASA article and the not so unprecedented rate of warming? Or just change the subject?

Sure do. A million posts ago i said whether climate temps increasing are an issue is a socio-political concern, and are not mine. And that the only reason i was responding to the OP was that global climate was not increasing in temp - contrary to the actual data, and what was the difference between Climate and Weather. Let alone the ridiculously simple yet seemingly unexplainable in agriville what the definitions are for Climate and Weather.

You need to discuss with someone else about whether or not temp change is a problem.

[rumrocks]

Tweety step out of the safety zone of your data and tell me how much of an increase in temperature would, in your opinion, be beneficial to agriculture and remembering more people die from cold than from heat in the world every year.

[chuckChuck]

We all want warmer winter weather in much of Canada. There are some benefits to a warming climate and potentially positive changes to the prairie growing season.

But there is also a lot of potential for an increasing number of extreme weather events that cause large amounts property and crop losses. We have already experienced some of the increased number of extreme and persistent weather events in recent decades.

According to climate scientists there is a link between changes to the jet stream, weather extremes and climate change.

Regardless of what happens in Canada, climate change is affecting the entire planet in often different ways. I doubt that Australians will be happier with warmer and drier winters and hotter summers.

Some posters need to think beyond their own farm, region, country, and self interest to grasp the complexity of what climate change might mean. Because in a lot of places the impacts are much more likely to be negative

Ignoring and dismissing human caused climate science and calling it all a hoax or suggesting that it is going to be only positive is not going to make it go away.

[jazz]

Ignoring and dismissing human caused climate science and calling it all a hoax or suggesting that it is going to be only positive is not going to make it go away.

That's all nice conjecture and speculation, but until hardcore irrefutable evidence as predicted by that theory come true, its a non issue. Should be treated with about the same seriousness as an asteroid.

[tweety]

Tweety step out of the safety zone of your data and tell me how much of an increase in temperature would, in your opinion, be beneficial to agriculture and remembering more people die from cold than from heat in the world every year.

17 x more deaths to be exact!

Not a climatologist, so am unsure. The thing to keep in mind is, suppose temp goes up and you get more bud blasting EVERY year. Well that's bad.

If temp goes up and we don't get frost - a good thing. No matter what happens in our lifetime it won't matter, it isn't changing that fast to cause you to grow nothing but corn and soybeans in the next 5 years.

The worrisome part of a few degrees up would be more flower damage, but we still would have winter, and frost (weather vs climate). So realistically a couple degrees on climate? But not sure how that affects weather swings mins maxes. Those are really hard questions.