Dont Call It Global Warming

[AlbertaFarmer5]

17 x more deaths to be exact!

Not a climatologist, so am unsure. The thing to keep in mind is, suppose temp goes up and you get more bud blasting EVERY year. Well that's bad.

If temp goes up and we don't get frost - a good thing. No matter what happens in our lifetime it won't matter, it isn't changing that fast to cause you to grow nothing but corn and soybeans in the next 5 years.

The worrisome part of a few degrees up would be more flower damage, but we still would have winter, and frost (weather vs climate). So realistically a couple degrees on climate? But not sure how that affects weather swings mins maxes. Those are really hard questions.

Except the warming (so far) is coming at night and in the winter. While summer time max temps have been moderating.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But there is also a lot of potential for an increasing number of extreme weather events that cause large amounts property and crop losses. We have already experienced some of the increased number of extreme and persistent weather events in recent decades.

According to climate scientists there is a link between changes to the jet stream, weather extremes and climate change.

I've been successfully ignoring your repetitive nonsense lately, but I need to call you out on this unsubstantiated claim.

You have lost the right to continue to claim that there is a link between the changing jet stream and persistent weather patterns or extremes. I offered to help you to prove your assertion a couple of months ago, and you declined. And with no other evidence available that this is having any discernible effect on our weather patterns, or is in any way unprecedented, repeating it in every thread is unconscionable.

[fjlip]

"But there is also a lot of potential for an increasing number of extreme weather events that cause large amounts property and crop losses. We have already experienced some of the increased number of extreme and persistent weather events in recent decades."

No proof of that, potential/guess/forecast/estimate/they believe...ya right. Been extremes for ever and are NOT increasing.

[tweety]

Well that comes back to weather and climate. After 30 years of extremes, that is the new climate.

Saw a program on the ginkgo tree - which is millions of years old. They put some in tents and cranked up the C02. Examined the leaves and saw way less stomata (the little cells that take in CO2 ) in the leaf structure. So they grabbed some fossils from millions of years ago and found the stomata matched the predicted CO2 levels which has been as high as a sustained 2000 ppm.

Once the non renewables are all burned up, half a century or something, everything will be just fine.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Once the non renewables are all burned up, half a century or something, everything will be just fine.

Except everything won't be just fine. Given the short residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere, Levels Will end up back in the preindustrial era lows, Then resume their decline.

I am I strong advocate for rationing our scarce fossil fuels, In order to maintain the most optimal level for the longest period of time possible. Not blowing the entirety of these precious reserves in a couple of generations, then have to try to find a way to liberate CO2 from other sources, all without the benefit of fossil fuel energy to power the energy intensive process.

Farmers should be especially concerned about the end of fossil fuels, Where are we going to get our sulfur fertilizer from?

Yet these Genuine issues get absolutely no media attention or research money.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sure do. A million posts ago i said whether climate temps increasing are an issue is a socio-political concern, and are not mine. And that the only reason i was responding to the OP was that global climate was not increasing in temp - contrary to the actual data, and what was the difference between Climate and Weather. Let alone the ridiculously simple yet seemingly unexplainable in agriville what the definitions are for Climate and Weather.

You need to discuss with someone else about whether or not temp change is a problem.

And then you proceeded to use a single weather event ( one days temperture in one location in Antarctica), and explained how that is proof that of a warming climate to show us the difference between weather and climate.

You also falsely overstated the claimed global warming by more than double, and you falsely claimed that the rate of warming is unprecedented, even when faced with the evidence against both. I think we can be excused for being confused. I suspect that your motives are much more noble than Chuck et al, but your understanding of the underlying science, and ability to rationalize media talking points are somewhat lacking.

[tweety]

And then you proceeded to use a single weather event ( one days temperture in one location in Antarctica), and explained how that is proof that of a warming climate to show us the difference between weather and climate.

You also falsely overstated the claimed global warming by more than double, and you falsely claimed that the rate of warming is unprecedented, even when faced with the evidence against both. I think we can be excused for being confused. I suspect that your motives are much more noble than Chuck et al, but your understanding of the underlying science, and ability to rationalize media talking points are somewhat lacking.

Never said it was proof for climate warming, just that record highs will extend upward the already proven increasing climate trend. . Because that is what makes trends go up, higher numbers. FFS, you keep taking points, add your own spin, say it was my spin and post. Pretty annoying.

Math is hard.

Or is it you can't understand the record highs exceed record lows increases an average? Why am i even asking this...

[fjlip]

All depends on what year you start from...

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

"CO2 is not a greenhouse gas"
Google... "earths average temperature without co2"
-18C

[burnt]

Realism -

The bloody idiot hostess needs a slap of manners realism.

[furrowtickler]

Never said it was proof for climate warming, just that record highs will extend upward the already proven increasing climate trend. . Because that is what makes trends go up, higher numbers. FFS, you keep taking points, add your own spin, say it was my spin and post. Pretty annoying.

Math is hard.

Or is it you can't understand the record highs exceed record lows increases an average? Why am i even asking this...

Math is not hard , if all climate models would include the true value of particle forcing , which most ignore , this whole climate catastrophe would get wiped off the map and some sensibility would be in play to discuss real climate change and where it will be in the next 5-10 years . And not end up as an attack simply on tax payers for a way over an exaggerated fairy tail .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Never said it was proof for climate warming, just that record highs will extend upward the already proven increasing climate trend. . Because that is what makes trends go up, higher numbers. FFS, you keep taking points, add your own spin, say it was my spin and post. Pretty annoying.

Math is hard.

Or is it you can't understand the record highs exceed record lows increases an average? Why am i even asking this...

You keep using some variation of this statement

increasing climate trend

. What does that even mean? Climate ins't a measurable quantity by itself, it doesn't increase or decrease. Are you referring to temperatures, precipitation frost free days? Daily highs, daily lows?, Extreme weather events?

If you are referring to average temperatures in Antarctica as the context seems to indicate, then the trend is flat or down in almost all stations. A single record high within that trend( and with an extremely short and spotty temperature record), is weather.

You talk about math, can you visualize how insignificant one daily high temperature (for a few hours out of the day, and out of 365 days per year) in one station out of dozens on the continent, over multiple years, is to the average temperature trend?
When you see your yield monitor blip up to 200 BPA for a split second as the stars all align, do you extrapolate that data to a trend over the entire farm for the foreseeable future?