Dont Call It Global Warming

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Darn, doesn't work. Here is the site. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

[tmyrfield]

You guys going to answer this or just ignore it again and again! LOL

I have asked many times over many months and no one has any example. Just crickets!

Jazz or A5. Name one major scientific organization that says increasing CO2 levels are not causing the greenhouse effect and global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence

[fjlip]

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

[tweety]

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

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You could put as many digits to the right of the decimal as you like. That doesn't change the fact that there are conventions and rules in science and math, to ensure that the answer doesn't indicate more ( or less) precision than the original data justifies. In this case, the two digits to the left of the decimal are justified. The rest just indicate that this site has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with causing an emotional response in low information readers. And it only gets worse from there if you keep reading the website. Apparently we are headed for a food crisis in 29 years and counting. The rest is not even worth the time to discredit.

[jazz]

You could put as many digits to the right of the decimal as you like. That doesn't change the fact that there are conventions and rules in science and math, to ensure that the answer doesn't indicate more ( or less) precision than the original data justifies. In this case, the two digits to the left of the decimal are justified. The rest just indicate that this site has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with causing an emotional response in low information readers. And it only gets worse from there if you keep reading the website. Apparently we are headed for a food crisis in 29 years and counting. The rest is not even worth the time to discredit.

The illusion of precision and accuracy to the uneducated meant to instill fear and panic when the real models have single digit errors in the near term and probably double digit in the longer term.

I got to hand it to the UN, they picked the perfect scam in all of history and sold it to the drooling masses.

The world is ending and only communism can save it, so give all your rights and freedoms over so they can save you from frying.

[furrowtickler]

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics....

The article referred to by CC has a chart showing that in 2002 there were at least 120 frost free days.
Well we had 99 frost free days here in 2002. Saskatoon area. Lesson is have your farm close to Circle Drive. Less frost there.
2004: Chart says over 130 frost free days. Our wheat was all feed. Went anywhere from 17-35. Flax, entire crop snowed under. Canola 13-24. Some burnt in the spring. 122 frost free days.
Shrug.....Poor farmers I guess

Agree , this WP article is garbage in garbage out.
Longer growing season ??? How many millions on acres not harvested from north of Peace River all the way down into the Mid west States?
Second year in a row early frosts have caused significant damage to a big area in Western Canada .
How many billions of dollars of quality downgrades this year in Western Canada due to early frosts and crops that never matured due to lack of heat units ??? It’s a huge number barely even talked about . But the notion of longer growing seasons due to global warming keeps making headlines .... even in political rags like the WP .
The past two harvests , out in the real world tell a dramatically different story and it’s undeniable.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Agree , this WP article is garbage in garbage out.
Longer growing season ??? How many millions on acres not harvested from north of Peace River all the way down into the Mid west States?
Second year in a row early frosts have caused significant damage to a big area in Western Canada .
How many billions of dollars of quality downgrades this year in Western Canada due to early frosts and crops that never matured due to lack of heat units ??? It’s a huge number barely even talked about . But the notion of longer growing seasons due to global warming keeps making headlines .... even in political rags like the WP .
The past two harvests , out in the real world tell a dramatically different story and it’s undeniable.

And according to Tweety's logic, since one days temperature and one station on Antarctica is enough information to predict the next 30 years of climate for the world, your 2 years of nasty falls ( 5 years in a row here), across all of Western Canada, and many parts of the US, is such a harnbinger of doom that we might as well just give up on farming altogether.

[jazz]

These guys used NOAAs and NASAs own data and methodolgy and found that for the past 5 years, the earth has been cooling rapidly. That sure would explain the harvests.

[furrowtickler]

And according to Tweety's logic, since one days temperature and one station on Antarctica is enough information to predict the next 30 years of climate for the world, your 2 years of nasty falls ( 5 years in a row here), across all of Western Canada, and many parts of the US, is such a harnbinger of doom that we might as well just give up on farming altogether.

One just has to ignore this B/S propaganda and look at reality , during low sunspot activity early varieties and cool season crops need more focus . Also not loading up on high fertility rates that prolong maturity in Typical shorter growing season areas. But each to their own.
“If” what they claim in longer seasons was true and we could all grow longer season crops , well there would not be frosts in August , snow in September across a huge area of the northern grain growing areas of North America with even cool season crops not maturing . It’s all due to low sun spot activity, the opposite of what is being preached.
Soybean yields In Sask peaked around 2015 and have declined significantly since then ... 2014-16 was about the last solar maximum and good growing seasons with mature crops and good harvests ... in most areas.
Crop production plummeted in Europe during the Mauder minimum.... food for thought .
I will bet on historical data , not on future projections by the climatology cult with an agenda .

[farming101]

More data to interpret:


The SRC weather station is in a field in the city. Just saying. To clarify, I am not denying the frost free season is getting longer compared to the 60's 70's and 80's. A question that could be asked is: If it never gets warm, sunny and dry, rains all the time and yet never freezes can you grow a good crop? Countless other scenarios too. There is a lot more to it than frost free days.

[furrowtickler]

On the other side of crop yields , earlier cooler season crop yields such as oats and barely have done very well the past two years where they have matured without the frosts . Some huge yields the past few years. Even canola where fall frosts and lack of rain were not an issue has had big yields.
Peas , well that strictly depends on levels of root rots in areas. Locally pea yields have struggled a lot even on fields without much visible root rot, but high yielding peas need June early July rains and that has been nearly non existent here .
So it’s not all bad , just that in many areas the past few years the “growing season” has been more like the 60’s and 70’s , opposite to what is being told . It’s just that many areas never used to grow 100 day plus canola , soft wheats and other longer maturity crops .... then add double the fertility and a solar minimum........ millions of acres left unharvested.
The graphs in the WP article do show a trend ... but they go to about 2017 .... just sayin .

[tweety]

And according to Tweety's logic, since one days temperature and one station on Antarctica is enough information to predict the next 30 years of climate for the world, your 2 years of nasty falls ( 5 years in a row here), across all of Western Canada, and many parts of the US, is such a harnbinger of doom that we might as well just give up on farming altogether.

Your logic, not mine. One days temp is one day. 30 years is 30 years of temps. But if you break records on one side consistently its an indicator of trend.

No one said anything about predicting the next 30 years from one temperature. JFC, this isn't complicated.

[TASFarms]

Anyone know when the sunspots are to start popping up?