Dont Call It Global Warming

[chuckChuck]

You guys going to answer this or just ignore it again and again! LOL

I have asked many times over many months and no one has any example. Just crickets!

Jazz or A5. Name one major scientific organization that says increasing CO2 levels are not causing the greenhouse effect and global warming.

[fjlip]

Seems someone has invented a temperature taking kind of device.

AF5 - who cares if its 1.5 or 2.0 or 1.1 or a couple.Not important for this discussion.

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Darn, doesn't work. Here is the site. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature

So is CLIMATE right now going up or down?

Read about their data..."To better illustrate what’s going on with the social and environmental challenges that we cover on this site, we have chosen to represent the data using ‘real time’ counters – in the hope that the reader will get a better feel for what is going on right now, and around the clock. These counters are based on various point estimates and projections, and may therefore not represent scientifically accurate numbers."


On sources..."We use the upper estimate based on current climate policies. These policies are projected to cause global warming of 3.1-3.7°C by 2100 compared to pre-industrial levels (14 degrees C)."

Just selective data, why not lower estimates or the range of each? Mainly because within margin of error!

Totally a guess, worth ZERO. Doomsayers for 2 degrees, but those are invented.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Seems someone has invented a temperature taking kind of device.

AF5 - who cares if its 1.5 or 2.0 or 1.1 or a couple.Not important for this discussion.



So is CLIMATE right now going up or down?

So being wrong by a factor of two isn't important ? Sacrificing our modern way of life and our economy and industry , And spending trillions based on Data with a 100% error bar is wise?

I have no idea how to answer your last question about climate going up or down ? That makes as much sense as the press release from COP25 where they claim that world temperature will double. Double in absolute degrees Kalvin?Think about that statement before you get too deeply in bed with this crowd.

[jazz]

Jazz or A5. Name one major scientific organization that says increasing CO2 levels are not causing the greenhouse effect and global warming.

I already showed you the flawed NOAA and NASA data.

What these orgs say to MSM is another story entirely and meant to keep their socialist funding going.

Tony Heller dug deeper on this Antarctic record temp MSM garbage. This was on an island station 2000 miles from the pole and the observatory sits on the eastern downslope from a mountain range. They got a chinook and called it global warming.

Just for reference, 2000 miles from the north pole would put you on the same latitude as Yellowknife NWT which easily gets above 18 degrees in the summer.

What garbage.

[fjlip]

No body on earth will ever be "peer reviewed climate scientist" credible/honest/smart/unfunded enough for the CULT!
Many of us have said YOU can't prove those DOOMSDAY predictions, we don't need to disprove first! Countless examples of FAILED predictions by YOUR scientists doesn't make you wonder? Truly a CULT!

[jazz]

This site contains all the temperature data for hundreds of canadian cities for the past 20 years. I challenge anyone to identify a warming trend in that data set.

https://yourenvironment.ca YOURENVIRONMENT

But if you dont want to do that, you can see how the first round of predictions went when Canada first jumped on the crazy climate bandwagon back in 2001.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Darn, doesn't work. Here is the site. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

[tmyrfield]

You guys going to answer this or just ignore it again and again! LOL

I have asked many times over many months and no one has any example. Just crickets!

Jazz or A5. Name one major scientific organization that says increasing CO2 levels are not causing the greenhouse effect and global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence

[fjlip]

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

[tweety]

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

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You could put as many digits to the right of the decimal as you like. That doesn't change the fact that there are conventions and rules in science and math, to ensure that the answer doesn't indicate more ( or less) precision than the original data justifies. In this case, the two digits to the left of the decimal are justified. The rest just indicate that this site has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with causing an emotional response in low information readers. And it only gets worse from there if you keep reading the website. Apparently we are headed for a food crisis in 29 years and counting. The rest is not even worth the time to discredit.