fiddle while Rome burns

[Guest]

heres a thought , all farmers grow IP seed , pay SFA, and call it protest, maybe even get natives involved

[TOM4CWB]

heres a thought , all farmers grow IP seed , pay SFA, and call it protest, maybe even get natives involved

Caseih,

our own supply chains with limited genetic upgrades is possible...

As we see the $100's of millions of our own funding... plus taxpayer enhancements...

If the NSO SeedSynergy Utopia persists and we approve... our own $$ funding will be used against us to enhance life science co's bottom lines... while seeing seed co's margins increase significantly.

The drip drip drip of erosion of our investments... straight out of our Capital Assets... is the pool of Cash governments, professional administrators, seed industry folks... and multi nationals... know control of our seeds will grant them access to our intergenerational Farmer Capital Assets.

The above;
governments, professional administrators, seed industry folks... and multi nationals...
Are testing our resolve with convincing bluffs... half truths... which I grant you is your right to concede your capital assets to yeild up to them.

Please do not turn and blame seed growers for the confiscation of farmer's capital... on top of all the rest of the intergenerational charges being passed down to future generations of farmers who will/are losing control of their seeds they need to be competitive and survive in future decades.

[sawfly1]

Tom sounds like you need to spend a little more and
Pay your NFU membership fees.
Now that you have finally converted and saw the light.
After pushing this agenda the last 25 years.

I told you, years ago just like canola , all the other breeders will be eliminated.
( and it does not matter, what that costs, because we shall pay for it , not them)

After you the wheat growers ,Harper and Ritz layed
The groundwork for this .
To come on here and blame the
Liberals ,come on.
(Not that I think they will save us anyway)

What bizarro world do you exist
In?
Harper and Ritz are simply bought off politicians.
That is what they do.
We expect that.
But you are supposed to be one of us . Not selling us out.

It is a little late to repent
At this point.
After all you have done for
The mega seed corporation's.
And then they spit you out.
Kinda fitting and
Pretty funny .

[blackpowder]

The seed game is getting out of hand.
Thank you for keeping us updated.

By the way Tom. How did you manage to build a new shop so close to the road allowance in the first place? Your house likely grandfathered. Appears your well within the 50m setback. Front shop doors within a semi length of the shoulder. Does that count as more than one approach? Who laid the gravel on the Queen's shoulder? Someone screwed up there.
Unless you bought a right of way from the Queen, your at risk of any future development requirements within that road allowance. What did your permit say before you built it? You better hope they don't need to cut a ditch lol.
I don't care but you can huck a frozen turkey out the shop door and it would land in the middle of the road.
With such a big yard,it appears diligence was lacking.

[TOM4CWB]

Tom sounds like you need to spend a little more and
Pay your NFU membership fees.
Now that you have finally converted and saw the light.
After pushing this agenda the last 25 years.

I told you, years ago just like canola , all the other breeders will be eliminated.
( and it does not matter, what that costs, because we shall pay for it , not them)

After you the wheat growers ,Harper and Ritz layed
The groundwork for this .
To come on here and blame the
Liberals ,come on.
(Not that I think they will save us anyway)

What bizarro world do you exist
In?
Harper and Ritz are simply bought off politicians.
That is what they do.
We expect that.
But you are supposed to be one of us . Not selling us out.

It is a little late to repent
At this point.
After all you have done for
The mega seed corporation's.
And then they spit you out.
Kinda fitting and
Pretty funny .

Sawfly,

I grant you the pessimist outcome is ours to grant the power elite if you choose.

I am not laughing even if you enjoy your fellow farmer's Capital Assets being confiscated through the loss of farmer control of our seeds in Canada. Become a CSGA farmer member... and

Vote NO to the NSO

Your choice... your have the right to say Yes to the Seed Synergy Utopia monopoly... and grant license to the 'value creation' trial ballon...but do not blame me... if doing nothing gets you nothing more than a chuckle and I told you so.

[TOM4CWB]

The seed game is getting out of hand.
Thank you for keeping us updated.

By the way Tom. How did you manage to build a new shop so close to the road allowance in the first place? Your house likely grandfathered. Appears your well within the 50m setback. Front shop doors within a semi length of the shoulder. Does that count as more than one approach? Who laid the gravel on the Queen's shoulder? Someone screwed up there.
Unless you bought a right of way from the Queen, your at risk of any future development requirements within that road allowance. What did your permit say before you built it? You better hope they don't need to cut a ditch lol.
I don't care but you can huck a frozen turkey out the shop door and it would land in the middle of the road.
With such a big yard,it appears diligence was lacking.

I applied for and was granted a County development permit before the re-build within as close to the previous shop foundation footprint as possible for our proper replacement farm shop foundation rebuild after the 'partial loss' fire damaged our pre-existing farm shop. Our yard level is at grade for 300+ feet... and the Queens gravel is on the County road... and my gravel on the approach with proper ditch slopes finishing drop offs to ditch levels for correct water drainage...

[sawfly1]

I am not enjoying it. At all
I told you how it would play out.
You just would not listen

I googled the CSGA , and the directors are all your boys.
Alberta fed of ag. FP GENETICS, AND Wheat growers association. Laurie Wakefield , pretty sure all Good conservatives.

It sounds like the sell out is theirs and your own
Doing.
They are going for the contracts , so farmers will never
Own their seed. ( kiss it goodbye)
Plus the voteing structure , is changing to enable a corporate takeover. ( so yes , your done )
I never saw any new federal government initiative's
To make this happen.
Yet you are trying to pin this on the liberal's.

It is exactly what you have worked for all these years.

I feel for you that you were not invited to the victory
Party.
Remember, it is a corporate event and no farmers/ victims , Will be invited.

[TOM4CWB]

I am not enjoying it. At all
I told you how it would play out.
You just would not listen

I googled the CSGA , and the directors are all your boys.
Alberta fed of ag. FP GENETICS, AND Wheat growers association. Laurie Wakefield , pretty sure all Good conservatives.

It sounds like the sell out is theirs and your own
Doing.
They are going for the contracts , so farmers will never
Own their seed. ( kiss it goodbye)
Plus the voteing structure , is changing to enable a corporate takeover. ( so yes , your done )
I never saw any new federal government initiative's
To make this happen.
Yet you are trying to pin this on the liberal's.

It is exactly what you have worked for all these years.

I feel for you that you were not invited to the victory
Party.
Remember, it is a corporate event and no farmers/ victims , Will be invited.

If you choose this to be your desired end to farmer's growers seed control.. and pass your rights under the Canada Seeds Act to the Corporate Industry SeedSynergy utopia... and do not lift a finger to call the bluff of the Seed Trade,,, then that is your choice not mine. I have given full disclosure apparently you really do not care... and are happy to buy the seed industry bluff;

And as you willingly cede your democratic and financial assets as a farmer to the NSO SeedSynergy Utopia... the responsibility is squarely yours alone. Informed consent.

Cheers

[bucket]

Tom

Is this a legislative change where the MPs have to approve a new bill for it to happen?

Or does the seed industry have the authority to do it on their own?

And why are the conservative MPs not listening to farmers on this?

[TOM4CWB]

Tom

Is this a legislative change where the MPs have to approve a new bill for it to happen?

Or does the seed industry have the authority to do it on their own?

And why are the conservative MPs not listening to farmers on this?

Bucket,

The answer is my MP Damien Kurik for BattleRiver Crowfoot is well aware of this SeedSynergy NSO trial balloon... and a number of us Pedigreed CSGA Seed Grower members in this constituency have alerted MP Damien to our concerns and multiple objections. The CSGA can modernize without being absorbed by the Seed Trade... by MOU... which a number of CSGA members have been advocating for years. This is a bluff.

This NSO SeedSynergy 'project' will require changes to the Canada Seeds Act... which will require parliamentary changes to the Canada Seeds Act.

Call your MP... let your voice be heard.

[sawfly1]

Tom it is all your own doing.
When I do stupid things.
I beat myself up , mope around,
Hide in the basement, till I have
Suffered enough.

You on the other hand , have a
Different painless method.
Blame it on Trudeau.
( lots of things to blame Trudeau for , but this is not one of them)

This is all in the conservatives
And your lap.

In ten years when all public
Breeding is gone , CSGA is gone.
When 3 big corporations lease you the right to
Plant your own seed production every year.

Canola seed 120$/acre ,wheat 40$
(Probably low)
All the old ones are delisted, so you are stuck.

Think of all those poor landlords getting rent chiseled
Down.
Think of land values falling.
Got to get the $ somewhere,
And that is the only place left.
Right.
The consumer, well they will
Pay too.

Thanks a lot.
I am sure Bayer thanks you too.

[TOM4CWB]

Tom it is all your own doing.
When I do stupid things.
I beat myself up , mope around,
Hide in the basement, till I have
Suffered enough.

You on the other hand , have a
Different painless method.
Blame it on Trudeau.
( lots of things to blame Trudeau for , but this is not one of them)

This is all in the conservatives
And your lap.

In ten years when all public
Breeding is gone , CSGA is gone.
When 3 big corporations lease you the right to
Plant your own seed production every year.

Canola seed 120$/acre ,wheat 40$
(Probably low)
All the old ones are delisted, so you are stuck.

Think of all those poor landlords getting rent chiseled
Down.
Think of land values falling.
Got to get the $ somewhere,
And that is the only place left.
Right.
The consumer, well they will
Pay too.

Thanks a lot.
I am sure Bayer thanks you too.

Sawfly,

You can blame the man in the moon if you like... it will do about as much as blaming me,

I was elected over 2 years ago... by seed growers in Alberta... to oppose 'value creation and seed synergy'

I have worked to bring responsible change, to our Canadian Seeds Act; that brings value to all Canadian farmers and Agriculture, and respects the investments each sector [Farmers, and Seed Trade/Plant Breeders alike], have made.

Ask Crop Life Canada and the Seed Companies how much they like me... either denial or a stern frown as they met me at CSGA AGM's or Special CSGA Meetings to challenge confiscation of Farmers Seed privileges. Phone Lorne Hadley of CPTA who enforces UPOV 91... ask what Tom Jackson stood for in these meetings... i stood for your farmer saved Seeds privileges.

In Quebec Feb 18th Special CSGA Meeting it was Claude Lapoint a director from CSI and Past President of the Seed Trade CSTA... that told Quebec and CSGA members CFIA and Ag Canada were responsible for this. CFIA and Ag Canada were not even there at the meeting... even though they had a statutory obligation to be at this CSGA special meeting in Quebec Feb 18

Cheers