fiddle while Rome burns

[furrowtickler]

Tom ..... majority of seed growers were in favour of UPOV at the beginning
I agree with Sawfly , you got what you wished for. Most thought it was a big payday, most on here called it from day one ...... the big boys were just sitting in the weeds waiting to take control.
It was easy to see coming if you never had the blinders on
No different than where most new policies are headed .... take control from the existing structure and leave the rest as bottom feeders

[farming101]

Wow, over 5 years ago....
https://www.agriville.com/threads/21678-the-future-looks-good-for-seed-companies https://www.agriville.com/threads/21678-the-future-looks-good-for-seed-companies

[shtferbrains]

I'll say it again, this is Big Pharma.

They don't look at this as so many dollars per acre they look at it as how many BILLION dollars can we take out of this industry.

Don't worry about how much the growers or the bureaucrats or the CSTA gets as that's all nickles and dimes.

Flood BoBo's twitter with "Don't let big Pharma screw Canada".

[TOM4CWB]

I am sure Bayer thanks you too.[/QUOTE]

I am sure they are NOT Sawfly.

By the way Sawfly,

The Liberal government can easily give notice under UPOV and easily remove UPOV 91... for all future varieties going forward. This is much more than a Conservative 'ghost',,,

Easily remedied... but the NSO is obviously and actually Liberal policy ... that would be easy to change in a minority Canadian parliament. Quebec has major reservations about the NSO... as do Alberta Seed Growers at the AGM Feb 7th passed many resolutions questioning the wisdom of the NSO Seed Synergy Utopia led by Industry.

This NSO bluff is in no way over or settled... talk to your MP... the Liberals have not even started on legislative changes to the many statutes that would need to be legislatively changed.

[flea beetle]

This goes through, I am done grain farming. Will be moving on to plan B.

[furrowtickler]

There were more than a few seed farms pop up the last few years to take advantage of UPOV ..... not so handy now .
Tom , spin it anyway you want , this was coming the minute it was enacted, no different than signing the Paris Accord, the sheep are about to get slaughtered.
For those who can’t see past their own nose .. should have opened your eyes past the b/s from day one ..... there is always an agenda to this shit , and it will never be in the average Joe’s interest ever .

[TOM4CWB]

There were more than a few seed farms pop up the last few years to take advantage of UPOV ..... not so handy now .
Tom , spin it anyway you want , this was coming the minute it was enacted, no different than signing the Paris Accord, the sheep are about to get slaughtered.
For those who can’t see past their own nose .. should have opened your eyes past the b/s from day one ..... there is always an agenda to this shit , and it will never be in the average Joe’s interest ever .

Furrowtickler;

All farmers under the Canada Seeds Act, now have the right to be CSGA Seed growers if they so choose now. CSGA members have democratic rights now... that the NSO seed synergy proposes to restrict or in some cases terminate.

If there is plenty of money to be made... growing pedigreed seed... this is your right to do so now...under our present Canadian statutes.

[furrowtickler]

Furrowtickler;

All farmers under the Canada Seeds Act, now have the right to be CSGA Seed growers if they so choose now. CSGA members have democratic rights now... that the NSO seed synergy proposes to restrict or in some cases terminate.

If there is plenty of money to be made... growing pedigreed seed... this is your right to do so now...under our present Canadian statutes.

That may well be , that’s not the point . UPOV was set up from day one to steal seed growers rights , that’s the thing many never seen coming .
Just saying some seen it as a windfall , never was interested in becoming a seed grower. There are many good seed growers around us already, not enough demand to ever consider the extra work involved. Most have excellent seed farms , some are shit . UPOV was designed to strip seed growers not give them a lottery ticket . That’s the point you may have missed.
There is a reason Cargil ran a pilot project a few years ago with dedicated seed contracts for certified cereal seed treated with the latest and greatest seed treatment for a bazillion dollars/ bus ... they were testing the waters.
I am not for it at all , but just saying it has been coming the day UPOV was brought to the table, they want to bypass the seed grower, which is not right but the writing was on the wall from day one.
Again ... careful for what you wish for .

[ajl]

That may well be , that’s not the point . UPOV was set up from day one to steal seed growers rights , that’s the thing many never seen coming .
Just saying some seen it as a windfall , never was interested in becoming a seed grower. There are many good seed growers around us already, not enough demand to ever consider the extra work involved. Most have excellent seed farms , some are shit . UPOV was designed to strip seed growers not give them a lottery ticket . That’s the point you may have missed.
There is a reason Cargil ran a pilot project a few years ago with dedicated seed contracts for certified cereal seed treated with the latest and greatest seed treatment for a bazillion dollars/ bus ... they were testing the waters.
I am not for it at all , but just saying it has been coming the day UPOV was brought to the table, they want to bypass the seed grower, which is not right but the writing was on the wall from day one.
Again ... careful for what you wish for .

UPOV was designed to steal farmer's rights, not just the seed growers. Many seed growers thought that UPOV would be their ticket to ride but that just got usurped in a palace coup. Anyways agriculture in canuckistan loses and cedes market share to the competition with this. Moneyed interests around the world know canuckistani's are stupid and they can get the keys to the house from our stupid polititians with a little promise of 'investment in the industry'. Well we just got sold.

[jazz]

So this royalty is applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. Right?

Can you see the solution?

[TOM4CWB]

furrowtickler;

UPOV is the voluntary genetic identification of a variety of seed by the plant breeder/agent/seed co in a signatory country
...UPOV is not required but is the intellectual property seed rights as explained at:https://www.upov.int/overview/en/exceptions.html#

[TOM4CWB]

So this royalty is applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. Right?

Can you see the solution?

Jazz;

No, a royalty is NOT applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. This collection system would require major legislative changes as well as elevator companies have objected to the complexity of needing to identify every variety at the receiving of grain into the elevator.

Therefore

It appears the Seed Companies are going ahead with some seed trailing royalties [in some cases as a pilot program] along with royalty collections on certified seed sales; or

continue collections of a royalty on certified seed sales as has been the situation for some time.

Changes in legislation are not needed to collect royalties using these two methods.