Alberta' Climate Future

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All that said, it is still very interesting to read. And a useful tool to see where we have been.

As we further transition to the cooling phase of the cycle, since this report encompasses most of one cooling phase, and the entirety of a warming phase, it does lay out what we possibly can expect in this cooling phase, based on the past. Scary stuff from my part of Alberta.

[dmlfarmer]

I will answer that for you dml, not sure how long you have lived on this planet, but every time the govt reaches into your life further with the excuse of regulation for some greater cause, the little guy gets burned hard. NFU just found that out.

So if we stood up tomorrow and accepted the carbon tax and bowed down to the climate alter, we would still be ignored and the govt is never ever going to pay you for your perceived efforts. They wont even invest in a biodiesel plant and instead gave Africa $2B.

There are studies showing Canada is in a carbon deficit and they are ignored. You are actually sequestering emissions for China and India and getting zero recognition for it. In fact get ready for your industry to be the next target.

You still don't know what your govt actually is. You think like the Ag More Than ever crowd. If we could just tell our story to everyone we would be loved and respected and supported. That's never going to happen. We are lucky ag survives at all in the country with as little support it gets.

So Jazz how is your strategy working so far? What has denying climate change achieved for farmers?

I would much rather be ignored than be penalized which is what is actually happening to agriculture. That is all the denial strategy is achieving, I believe agriculture has a valuable greenhouse gas sequestration salary which we could and should be marketing instead of fighting a losing battle over man made climate change where we do not have the backing of ANY provincial government or Federal party or the public.

Individual farmers or even a landlocked western Canada will never be in a position of power to demand the world accept the view that nothing needs to be done to address climate change. Period.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

So if we throw up some uneconomical wind turbines you will stop attacking the oil patch? Cause I don't see Texas halting production. In fact they are expanding at break neck speed.

And have a little closet look why renewables work in Texas. Much more sun and wind than AB and close to 10m consumers right beside to take the power. How can we get it to Toronto? And Texas doesn't get that little old thing called a Canadian winter.

I am so tired of these feeble green arguments. It doest work here. Canada is uninhabitable without ff but maybe that's the point. It will become one giant park for the UN and nobody living here.

I had no idea that a simple fact could hurt your feelings so much.

[tweety]

One inescapable fact, most of this society can't exist without access to lots and lots of fossil fuel energy. Nothing else can support it, when it's gone, so are many of the people.

[fjlip]

Might as well talk to a rock as a Climate/Scaremonger/Zealot. Brain dead, in constant panic mode.
Yup feel sorry for a second then go on living without ONE thought of BURNING UP with a few extra wonderful degrees of warmth in the great white north.

Thanks for all the great responses to the CULTISTS

[AlbertaFarmer5]

One inescapable fact, most of this society can't exist without access to lots and lots of fossil fuel energy. Nothing else can support it, when it's gone, so are many of the people.

And that right there should be the starting point for discussions regarding conserving fossil fuels.

Not penguins and polar bears, and impossible sea level rise and temperature projections.

But I am not as pessimistic as you on this front. We have proven the viability, reliability and sustainability of nuclear power. There will be breakthroughs in energy storage sometime in the future , possibly even enough to make unreliable a viable energy source. And the fact that peak fossil fuels has been postponed over. And over again thanks to human ingenuity.

[jazz]

Individual farmers or even a landlocked western Canada will never be in a position of power to demand the world accept the view that nothing needs to be done to address climate change. Period.

Climate change is just the cover dml, if you did some critical thinking you would easily see that. Dig in a couple levels before you decide to roll over.

And anytime a trojan horse like that comes around, you know there is worse stuff hiding inside.

And because of that, I wholeheartedly deny and disavow it.

[jazz]

I had no idea that a simple fact could hurt your feelings so much.

Yes facts really bum me out.

[ajl]

Suddenly, in the blink of an eye, fake problems like climate change get pushed aside by real problems: The Great DEPRESSION. One year from now nobody is talking nonsense about climate change and will be focused on survival. This could be the big one that ends the era of fakenomics. Bill due? No problem, we will just print some money. Now bills may have to be paid with REAL earnings. That alone puts an end to climate change nonsense for good.

[furrowtickler]

Texas is 20% green energy.

Good for them , they don’t have winter 5 months of the year

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Texas is 20% green energy.

texas is arguable one of the best places on the planet for "green energy". Reliable abundant wind and solar resources, proximate to the end users, cheap abundant natural gas for flexible back up, Peak loads that coincide with peak production ( AC, irrigation for example).

And in spite of all of that, only 20% renewables has caused electricity prices to skyrocket in Texas, during a period where natural gas costs declined precipitously, but those savings were overwhelmed by the additional cost of the renewables.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/06/georgetown-how-a-texan-towns-green-energy-dream-turned-into-a-nightmare/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/06/georgetown-how-a-texan-towns-green-energy-dream-turned-into-a-nightmare/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-26/sometimes-a-greener-grid-means-a-40-000-spike-in-power-prices https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-26/sometimes-a-greener-grid-means-a-40-000-spike-in-power-prices

That's not a typo, 40,000% increase in electricty prices in Texas during a slow wind period.

[tweety]

And that right there should be the starting point for discussions regarding conserving fossil fuels.

Not penguins and polar bears, and impossible sea level rise and temperature projections.

But I am not as pessimistic as you on this front. We have proven the viability, reliability and sustainability of nuclear power. There will be breakthroughs in energy storage sometime in the future , possibly even enough to make unreliable a viable energy source. And the fact that peak fossil fuels has been postponed over. And over again thanks to human ingenuity.

Regarding peak oil, i think you would really enjoy this article

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214629618303207 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214629618303207