Alberta' Climate Future

[Hamloc]

Dml just because I don't believe that world as we know it will end in 10 years if we don't all quit burning fossil fuels(and as a farmer at present I couldn't make a living without fossil fuels) doesn't justify you calling me a science denier or a flat earther. As a farmer I have to try and look into the future to create a business I hope my family can continue after I am gone. If environmentalists were more realistic with their solutions they would probably receive more consideration from me.

[dmlfarmer]

my apologies to anyone except Jazz who took offense to my flat earth comments. I was not clear in my post that it was intended only for Jazz and I will stand by my ASSUMPTION (as I stated in my original post)that since he denies all science that points to man made climate change therefore I wondered if he is also a flat earther. This assumption is based on his statement earlier in the thread "And because of that, I wholeheartedly deny and disavow it."

[dmlfarmer]

Dml just because I don't believe that world as we know it will end in 10 years if we don't all quit burning fossil fuels(and as a farmer at present I couldn't make a living without fossil fuels) doesn't justify you calling me a science denier or a flat earther. As a farmer I have to try and look into the future to create a business I hope my family can continue after I am gone. If environmentalists were more realistic with their solutions they would probably receive more consideration from me.

Hamlock, what credible climate scientist says the world as we know it will end in 10 years? What credible climate scientist or even government says everyone has to quit burning all fossil fuels?

You are making the same exaggerated arguments that you claim environmentalists make to support your case. Reducing emissions does not mean ending all burning of fossil fuels.

The truth is somewhere in the middle and for either side to argue based on the extremes is the reason we accomplish nothing.

[chuckChuck]

Please don't lower yourself to Chucks level. You usually bring some reasonable and mostly factual points to the debate. Don't ruin your credibility and end up on everyone ignore list like Chuck is, by using Chucks name calling and insults, it has not helped his case, and it certainly won't help yours.

I have posted numerous references from world class scientific organizations and you don’t respond with any evidence to the contrary. Nor have you been able to find any credible scientific organization that says human caused climate change is not occurring. Checkmate.

As far as name calling and insults you do your share.
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[Hamloc]

Hamlock, what credible climate scientist says the world as we know it will end in 10 years? What credible climate scientist or even government says everyone has to quit burning all fossil fuels?

You are making the same exaggerated arguments that you claim environmentalists make to support your case. Reducing emissions does not mean ending all burning of fossil fuels.

The truth is somewhere in the middle and for either side to argue based on the extremes is the reason we accomplish nothing.

Yes it was a bit of an exaggeration but only a bit. Read this article in The Guardian which was posted Oct. 8, 2018: "We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns U.N." This article was written in 2018 and it is now 2020 so yes 10 years. If you read the article we have to reduce our C02 emissions by 45% by 2030, hence why I asked you how you would reduce your emissions by 50%, a question you never addressed. It also stated that the price put on carbon emissions will have to be much higher than originally thought. So yes you can say my claims are exaggerated but the disciples of Greta Thunberg or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or David Suzuki or Greenpeace would agree with what I said 100%!!!!!

[fjlip]

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[jazz]

Geez dml somehow I made it through 50 science and engineering classes while not believing in any of it. That's got to be some sort of record.

I said I disavow climate change science due to its corruption by politics and lack of real world observation matching theory.

That little colour difference between Florida and southern AB is the difference between putting up panels to make your self feel good and actually generating economic power that will pay for the equipment before it wears out.