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    If Alberta taxed like other provinces, it would have a huge budget surplus

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/


    If Alberta taxed like other provinces, it would have a huge budget surplus
    Editorial
    Published March 4, 2020
    Updated 16 hours ago

    In Alberta’s 2020-21 budget, on Page 169, there’s a chart that speaks volumes about the province’s fiscal dilemma.

    Albertans, as the graphic titled “Alberta’s Tax Advantage” illustrates, pay the country’s lowest taxes. The chart lays out precisely how much less revenue the provincial government has, compared with other provinces, as a result of those low taxes. And what it shows is that, if Alberta had the tax code of Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Ontario or any other province, it would not currently be running a deficit. Instead, it would have a huge multibillion-dollar surplus.

    This is worth remembering as the United Conservative Party government grapples with a wide fiscal gap, which it has chosen to try to bridge with spending cuts and a long-term plan to downsize government. Those are not illegitimate choices, nor has Premier Jason Kenney’s government hidden the fact that this is its road map.

    But it is a choice. There are other roads available. And as that chart on Page 169 of last week’s budget points out, one of those roads has been taken by every other province.

    Alberta has a long history as a low-tax, high-spending jurisdiction. That equation doesn’t sum in the rest of the country, but it does in Alberta, thanks to oil royalties. Oil allowed Alberta governments to tax like conservatives and spend like social democrats.

    ‘Sadly separation is looking like the only logical and clean choice.’ Readers react to Alberta’s separation survey and a possible sales tax

    For decades, that’s how the province operated, spending 100 per cent of its resource revenues, and sometimes more than 100 per cent, leading to deficits even in boom times.

    To bring the equation back into balance, the Kenney government is focusing on spending cuts – while hoping for higher oil prices.

    Alberta forecasts 2020-21 revenue of $50-billion, with a deficit of $6.8-billion. Three years from now, bolstered by an optimistic view of oil prices, revenue is supposed to reach $58.1-billion. Combined with spending restraint, the result is supposed to be a $700-million surplus.

    But that will only happen if oil prices co-operate, and go up.

    The UCP government believes resource revenues will surge to $8.5-billion by 2022-23, up $3.4-billion from 2020-21. Oil is also supposed to fuel higher personal and corporate income taxes, to add another $2.6-billion.

    Underlying these numbers is a confident price forecast.

    Among private forecasters, the average oil price a barrel in 2021 is US$59. The Alberta government predicts US$62. In 2022, the average private forecast is US$61. Alberta’s is US$63.

    A dollar or two a barrel seems like nothing – but each dollar equals $355-million in Alberta’s budget. The gap between private forecasters in 2021 and the province would make for a $1-billion swing.

    Alberta’s budget is a bet on everything going right for the province, and oil. Given volatile prices – the West Texas benchmark on Wednesday was around US$47 – that is one big bet. And the UCP’s sunny forecast extends across the economy, with the budget forecasting higher economic growth than the private sector through 2023.

    Mr. Kenney’s government may be right. Oil may save Alberta yet again. But if oil falls short, deeper spending cuts are on the horizon.

    The cuts are already sizable. Health care spending in 2022-23 will be about 1 per cent lower compared with 2019-20. Factor in a growing population and inflation, and that’s a substantial cut. Education spending will be cut 4 per cent by 2022-23. All told, Alberta plans to cut operating spending by about 2 per cent over the next three years.

    These are all legitimate choices, made by an elected government. But spending cuts, and prayers for crude, are not the only options.

    As the Alberta budget helpfully points out, if Alberta had the same tax system as Ontario – Canada’s second-lowest tax province – Edmonton would be bringing in an extra $14.4-billion this year. That would leave Alberta with a $7.6-billion budget surplus. If Alberta had Saskatchewan taxes, provincial coffers would take in an extra $15.1-billion. Copying B.C.’s tax system would yield an extra $17.5-billion.

    To deal with Alberta’s budget deficit, Mr. Kenney’s government has largely treated higher taxes as a non-option. Instead, it has focused almost exclusively on spending cuts, served on a bed of expectations of higher oil prices.

    It just might work, fiscally and politically. But it’s not the only option on the menu.
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    #2
    Typical Liberal. Would rather see higher taxes put on the majority to allow for drunken sailor spending, than be fiscally responsible and save more burden being put on that same majority.

    Thus you get "The budget will balance itself" types! Look how that is turning out....

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      #3
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/


      If Alberta taxed like other provinces, it would have a huge budget surplus
      Editorial
      Published March 4, 2020
      Updated 16 hours ago
      Yeah. SO WHAT?

      If I had Bill Gates' income I'd be wealthy.

      Just another eastern elite trying to tell the west how to live.

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        #4
        You just dont understand Alberta do you? Like Justin its beyond you.

        Let me enlighten you. When you are cut off, ignored and even attacked for your resources and have zero support coming in from the govt, and the rest of the citizenship is too broke to actually invest in the country, the only other choice is foreign investment and talent. That means having a tax regime like Texas, not Quebec.

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          #5
          So life in Saskatchewan under the Sask Party and higher taxes is really bad? LMAO!

          There seems to be a lot of Albertan's moving to farm in Saskatchewan and run businesses.

          Alberta has mismanaged its resource revenue and government spending. Peter Lougheed is rolling over in his grave.

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            #6
            More tax for Alberta, bigger surplus for Quebec FU Chuck.

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              #7
              Typical eastern canuckistani wanker: more taxes always the solution. This article writer does not consider the fact that if AB taxed like other provinces, its GDP would be smaller than it is now thus reducing the amount that would actually be collected. This is why people capable of thinking never waste time on the grope and flail.

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                #8
                This is the same arguement that was made for the GST, it was going to eliminate the deficit. Where are we at today? They pist that all away. Give govt a dime and they spend $20.

                Currently, when the government needs to borrow money to fund spending they simply issue bonds and treasury bills which they auction off to various bidders in the primary market, usually on a competitive basis to primary dealers (typically banks). What is generally overlooked is that the Bank of Canada is currently a large and regular buyer at government bond auctions, directly purchasing approximately 13%2*of auctioned government bonds on a non-competitive basis using newly-created money they simply conjure “out of thin air”.

                In exchange for the bonds, the Bank of Canada credits the account that the federal government maintains at the Bank of Canada, and the Canadian government is subsequently free to spend down this account on salaries, military equipment, social programs, or whatever else they so please. Using the method of double-entry accounting, the Bank of Canada records the bond as an asset on their balance sheet, and records the new deposit they now owe to the government as a corresponding liability.

                But if the Bank of Canada is now the holder of government bonds, does this not mean that the federal government (and by extension, the tax-payer) must now pay interest on the bonds to the Bank of Canada? In other words, since this type of financing is hardly the definition of “free money” for the government (in the sense that they must still pay interest), how does it assist the government with financing its spending programs any more than if it had simply gone to the private debt markets for a normal loan?

                The answer to this question lies in the fact that as a crown corporation of the federal government, the Bank of Canada is required to return its revenue (including all interest payments on the assets it holds) back to the Government of Canada. Effectively, the government pays interest to the Bank of Canada on its loan, and the Bank of Canada simply turns around and returns the interest to the government. Through its bond issuances, the federal government is essentially gifted interest-free funds to support government programs with money the Bank of Canada simply printed into existence.


                https://crusoeeconomics.com/2020/03/02/modern-monetary-theory-in-canada/

                The sources are at the bottom of the article if you think it's fake.

                It raises the question of why do we pay tax at all if we are currently creating it out of thin air? It certainly explains how the current govt got the idea that the budget will balance itself.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                  So life in Saskatchewan under the Sask Party and higher taxes is really bad? LMAO!
                  Did you notice how all the oil companies domiciled in Ab in the 70s instead of Saskatchewan? Calgary added 3 Reginas after that happened.

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                    #10
                    Question. Do you pay a health care premium in sask or man.?We dont on ab

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                      #11
                      Yes indeed, if we had the highest tax rates in Canada our deficit would be gone. Or would it??
                      Doesn't seem to make anyone else in Canada debt free. Norway like taxes and you still can't spend more than you make.
                      There still has to be an income to tax.
                      We'd have likely just payed more in transfer anyway.
                      Bringing everyone's income and incentive down to the lowest level only makes socialists feel righteous until they're hungry.
                      Every govt in recent memory has kicked all these cans down the road and it's come to this.
                      Chuck thinks he has the answers but I suspect he's wrong again.

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                        #12
                        The socialists from outside of Alberta on Agriville have some very strange fixation on AB economics, fiscal policy, energy, and the oil and gas industry, while apparently having no connections to them, or knowledge thereof.

                        This would be the equivalent of one of us Albertans making every second post about the fishing industry of Newfoundland, and they should manage their economy around that, having never stepped foot on a fishing boat, or been to Newfoundland, but not letting that stop us from being the foremost expert on the subject.

                        Apparently they have already solved all of their problems at home, and have moved on to solving problems in the rest of the country.
                        Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Mar 7, 2020, 11:32.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                          https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-if-alberta-taxed-like-other-provinces-it-would-have-a-huge-budget/


                          If Alberta taxed like other provinces, it would have a huge budget surplus
                          Editorial
                          Published March 4, 2020
                          Updated 16 hours ago

                          In Alberta’s 2020-21 budget, on Page 169, there’s a chart that speaks volumes about the province’s fiscal dilemma.

                          Albertans, as the graphic titled “Alberta’s Tax Advantage” illustrates, pay the country’s lowest taxes. The chart lays out precisely how much less revenue the provincial government has, compared with other provinces, as a result of those low taxes. And what it shows is that, if Alberta had the tax code of Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Ontario or any other province, it would not currently be running a deficit. Instead, it would have a huge multibillion-dollar surplus.

                          This is worth remembering as the United Conservative Party government grapples with a wide fiscal gap, which it has chosen to try to bridge with spending cuts and a long-term plan to downsize government. Those are not illegitimate choices, nor has Premier Jason Kenney’s government hidden the fact that this is its road map.

                          But it is a choice. There are other roads available. And as that chart on Page 169 of last week’s budget points out, one of those roads has been taken by every other province.

                          Alberta has a long history as a low-tax, high-spending jurisdiction. That equation doesn’t sum in the rest of the country, but it does in Alberta, thanks to oil royalties. Oil allowed Alberta governments to tax like conservatives and spend like social democrats.

                          ‘Sadly separation is looking like the only logical and clean choice.’ Readers react to Alberta’s separation survey and a possible sales tax

                          For decades, that’s how the province operated, spending 100 per cent of its resource revenues, and sometimes more than 100 per cent, leading to deficits even in boom times.

                          To bring the equation back into balance, the Kenney government is focusing on spending cuts – while hoping for higher oil prices.

                          Alberta forecasts 2020-21 revenue of $50-billion, with a deficit of $6.8-billion. Three years from now, bolstered by an optimistic view of oil prices, revenue is supposed to reach $58.1-billion. Combined with spending restraint, the result is supposed to be a $700-million surplus.

                          But that will only happen if oil prices co-operate, and go up.

                          The UCP government believes resource revenues will surge to $8.5-billion by 2022-23, up $3.4-billion from 2020-21. Oil is also supposed to fuel higher personal and corporate income taxes, to add another $2.6-billion.

                          Underlying these numbers is a confident price forecast.

                          Among private forecasters, the average oil price a barrel in 2021 is US$59. The Alberta government predicts US$62. In 2022, the average private forecast is US$61. Alberta’s is US$63.

                          A dollar or two a barrel seems like nothing – but each dollar equals $355-million in Alberta’s budget. The gap between private forecasters in 2021 and the province would make for a $1-billion swing.

                          Alberta’s budget is a bet on everything going right for the province, and oil. Given volatile prices – the West Texas benchmark on Wednesday was around US$47 – that is one big bet. And the UCP’s sunny forecast extends across the economy, with the budget forecasting higher economic growth than the private sector through 2023.

                          Mr. Kenney’s government may be right. Oil may save Alberta yet again. But if oil falls short, deeper spending cuts are on the horizon.

                          The cuts are already sizable. Health care spending in 2022-23 will be about 1 per cent lower compared with 2019-20. Factor in a growing population and inflation, and that’s a substantial cut. Education spending will be cut 4 per cent by 2022-23. All told, Alberta plans to cut operating spending by about 2 per cent over the next three years.

                          These are all legitimate choices, made by an elected government. But spending cuts, and prayers for crude, are not the only options.

                          As the Alberta budget helpfully points out, if Alberta had the same tax system as Ontario – Canada’s second-lowest tax province – Edmonton would be bringing in an extra $14.4-billion this year. That would leave Alberta with a $7.6-billion budget surplus. If Alberta had Saskatchewan taxes, provincial coffers would take in an extra $15.1-billion. Copying B.C.’s tax system would yield an extra $17.5-billion.

                          To deal with Alberta’s budget deficit, Mr. Kenney’s government has largely treated higher taxes as a non-option. Instead, it has focused almost exclusively on spending cuts, served on a bed of expectations of higher oil prices.

                          It just might work, fiscally and politically. But it’s not the only option on the menu.
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                          How has the glorious taxation worked in Ontario, big budget surpluses there ?? Last time I looked they are more in debt per capita than almost anywhere on earth , maybe that’s changed lol

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                            #14
                            If it is such a great idea chuck why didn't the NDP raise taxes higher? They had 4 years to do it.

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                              #15
                              If the federal lieberals had continued the spending discipline of the Harper conservatives, they would have posted a couple of budget surpluses these past 4 years.

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