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    #11
    Excellent thought provoking posts, Macdon and Helmsdale.

    As to the idea that commerce will come to a halt because one piece of the supply chain from China is unavailable just goes against historical precedent.

    Consider WWII, in any of the allied or axis countries, but the US specifically. Consider how fast they ramped up manufacturing and resource extraction, raised funds, invented entire industries and technologies, all the while the most capable and youthful weren't even available to contribute, being in the military. The obstacles that were overcome are just mind boggling. Germany producing more planes and nearly everything else in the last years of the war with constant bombing of the factories, and the worker's neighborhoods, lack of energy and fuel, a gutted population, and a complete lack of imported materials. USSR moving entire factories 1000's of miles east and starting over production in a barren field without even a building over top.

    Yet in 2020, with all of our collective knowledge and technology, we are to believe that we can't make something as simple as face masks because some of the material can only come from China?

    All we need is either for the government to get out of the way and allow businesses to do what they do best, fill demand without untold regulations and restrictions, or else treat this as the crisis that many think it is, and actively manage as they did during the war, but this again will require overlooking/overthrowing the myriad costs, regulations and red tape that caused the production to go off shore in the first place.

    Never bet against the USA. I still maintain that this will lead to a boom unprecedented in post war history, as industry is repatriated to the US.

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      #12
      Originally posted by biglentil View Post
      Get yourself a bidet before they sell out. You can thank me later.
      Do they run on solar power when the Indians cut the power poles to bring down Canada again?

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        #13
        Helms. Nice post. Isn’t part of the reason we have not seen inflation is in fact because of simultaneous deflation happening simultaneously. The economy started to die in 2008 and only worsens. I have been watching this closely for the past 25 years or more. The deflationary pressure of an aging baby boom segment is very real. They all are getting less interested in spending money and more interested in staying alive.

        What the the catastrophic collapse scenario look like to you? Debt jubilee is my guess

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          #14
          Guys, none of your basics are made in china. Your food is all made in the country, paper products, consumer staples all made on the continent. And thank goodness for that.

          Unless you need some part or kids toys or iphone or furniture that falls apart, the world isnt going to end for us here. The major equipment makers all still on NA soil so they will be finding another source for any jobber parts pretty fast.

          As far as inflation is concerned, this is really a zero sum game when you think about it. Fed and govts need to create it to create the illusion of wealth but they often cant control it, so you will see massive run ups in areas where people cant avoid it like food and massive deflation in discretionary items like electronics. That is creating a big squeeze.

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            #15
            Originally posted by 15444 View Post
            Do they run on solar power when the Indians cut the power poles to bring down Canada again?
            Someone on twitter was posting a way to connect up a mini butt pressure washer to the back of your toilet. I think I might move to that permanently. Cleans the toilet too.

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              This one just T's, takes a few minutes to install. Running out of tp is one less thing I have to worry bout.
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                #17
                Major disruption in toilet paper trade in the offing?
                If the big guy next to you needs more I guess you just hand it over
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                  #18
                  I was at a comedy show earlier this week. The comedian joked, what is the difference between a water fountain and a bidet... about 10 beer.

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                    #19
                    None of this low tech (and probably cold) pressure washers in our toilets, we went with the roto wipe, saving up to $284 per year in TP, and it is dishwasher safe.
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                    prankalot.com/product/the-roto-wipe-say-goodbye-to-toilet-paper/ prankalot.com/product/the-roto-wipe-say-goodbye-to-toilet-paper/

                    With a 64 HP motor, even the most stubborn will-nots don't stand a chance.

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                      #20
                      Your post AF5, is absolutely correct, except you forgot the other side of the equation, today's generation. There's a reason why the men and women who won WWII are called the greatest generation to ever live. They had just come out of a dozen years of depression, they knew the value of hard manual work and they knew the value of working together. Other than the Baby Boomers every successive generation that we have raised, especially in First World countries, have become softer and softer until we have what we see today, a generation that believes they are entitled to a high standard of living without contributing to it. Call me a pessimist, but I don't have the same confidence that you do when it comes to this new generation and their ability to step up when the going gets tough, as most of them have never wanted for anything and still ask for more.

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