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    #13
    Get yourself ready to say goodbye to lots of numerous elderly relatives and neighbors, community members along with many people who have other serious underlying health issues.

    In Italy and other countries there are cases in the ICU that are under 60 who were people formerly in good health.

    We are all going to need a lot of good luck and compassion.

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      #14
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Get yourself ready to say goodbye to lots of numerous elderly relatives and neighbors, community members along with many people who have other serious underlying health issues.

      In Italy and other countries there are cases in the ICU that are under 60 who were people formerly in good health.

      We are all going to need a lot of good luck and compassion.
      Consider changing your moniker to DoomDrDoom.

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        Worldwide deaths closing in on 10000. The exponential nature of the trend is concerning. Total cases are doubling in as little as every 2 days in some countries. Let's look at the U.S.

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        Symptoms are usually mild in the first 2 weeks and peak at the end of the 3rd week. A 59% death rate is very concerning especially when considering that at this point the health system is not overwhelmed and the deceased likely had top notch care. Lots of comparisons to a flu but think of this more like a cold that progressively turns into bad pneumonia after 2 weeks. Like the common cold it is aerosolized and can hang in the air for up to 3hours. Not sure why the officials won't tell the public to wear masks if they have to go in public. That's a big mistake take care out there.
        Last edited by biglentil; Mar 19, 2020, 09:30.

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          #16
          Hope this adds some perspective to Covid19..Grant

          Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

          It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

          Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

          Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

          Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

          H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

          Fast forward.

          Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

          This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

          And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

          That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery as heck. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

          We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

          Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

          And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

          #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... wash your hands and don’t touch your face

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            #17
            Read somewere overnight to me a credible source checked and double checked.

            Every flu has one or two proteins when one weakens the flu dies out so to speak.

            Or if single protein flu doesn’t get a head of steam.

            Again I think it’s said there are 4 of these proteins.

            Cv19 has all four.

            Currently China cv19 samples have 2 or even one.

            Didn’t bother cut and paste and a three page article you won’t read.

            You can tell by pollution infrared map of China there back working.

            So rest of the world 2 months away from normality errr maybe.

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