Supply managed turkey

[GDR]

Sm was designed to support small farms(50 cow
Dairies, small poultry farms) now the majority of the quota is on large operations maxed out on debt and quota trying to get rich at all costs( lots
Won’t even hire locals, they want cheap foreign ers) and bid land up so no one in any other farming sector even has a hope.
But I’m just jealous and your more informed

Dont disagree with most of what you said. Remember, If you can't beat them, Join them! What I find funny is lots on here like to bash SM while promoting right wing views. SM is completely a capitalist venture. Only barrier to entry is $$$

What area do you farm in?

[Guest]

What are you gonna do ?
Arrest me for raising turkeys ?
Lol

[Ab7]

Dont disagree with most of what you said. Remember, If you can't beat them, Join them! What I find funny is lots on here like to bash SM while promoting right wing views. SM is completely a capitalist venture. Only barrier to entry is $$$

What area do you farm in?

Completely capitalist venture?
I have no trouble to afford Sm products,
But a lot of people do. Why take these dollars from the poor and put them in the pockets of the rich(top 1/10 th of 1 percent). In capitalism the poor could source out the lowest non artificial ly
Inflated foodstuff they could find leading to more prosperity and economic success for there families. This system is promoting inequality and
Eliminating competition.

[Ab7]

Dont disagree with most of what you said. Remember, If you can't beat them, Join them! What I find funny is lots on here like to bash SM while promoting right wing views. SM is completely a capitalist venture. Only barrier to entry is $$$

What area do you farm in?

Hwy 2 corridor
U?

[sumdumguy]

In about 1975 you could put your name on a quota list, so we did for turkeys and chickens. We waited and moved up to about third on the list- about 30 years and the powers expunged the list. Pffft!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hwy 2 corridor
U?

If you happen to be in the Lacombe(ish) hwy 2 area, I can sympathise with your perspective on competing with SM farmers, it would likely change anyone perspective. Not begrudging them, just pointing it out.

[bucket]

Well Sheepwheat, I can tell you why.

It's because she might pose a threat to the guy in our neighborhood who happens to be the largest turkey quota holder in Ontario, maybe even Canada.

He has barns spread all over southern Ontario, raising turkeys by the tens of thousands. He has become one of the wealthiest farmers in the country.

So if your daughter would raise 300 turkeys, she would threaten to topple his little empire.

Because not only might your daughter be allowed to practice free enterprise, but then your other sons and daughters, and other fathers' sons and daughters, might want to become capitalists as well - and you see where this is leading.

And if he were to loose his grip on the turkey industry, he would have to fall back on the massive wealth he created by buying up old age homes and related industries.

So in my best greta impersonation, including twisted face and diabolical eyes, I challenge you - HOW DARE YOU?

Supply management has become one of the best-intentioned, badly misguided and mismanaged schemes in farming.

Irrigation districts are number one followed by the SM scheme...

[FarmJunkie]

Watch “Holy Chicken” tells all u need to know why we are phucked in this society we have created. Especially considering the predicament we are in right now with the flu situation. All our chickens in 5 baskets!

[GDR]

Hwy 2 corridor
U?

Didsbury/olds area, so I know as do you about the pressure on land. But if you really think about it, is the problem SM or European farmers with big bank accounts and a different perspective on risk? I suspect it's more the latter that has caused the price appreciation. Most Europeans have continued with intensive livestock because thats what they know from back home but there are a some that have ventured on grain farms/ potatoes / feedlots and other non SM farms and they have done the same thing to land prices. For what its worth I dont have a problem with their investment either but it does make it hard to compete. Have made good friends with Swiss and Dutch immigrants.

Yes AB5 Lacombe and ponoka is bad, so is east of olds and then down around coaldale. Unreal amount of money has flowed to those areas the last 20yrs.

As for retail prices we've been down this road before, my personal belief is it does not affect the end price of the product but does impact the percentage back to farm gate. Ok to disagree on that because we just dont know.

[foragefarmer]

Supply management farmers have invested hard work and millions of dollars into their operations to created a system in which to prosper and succeed as a farmer. I do not begrudge them in the least. They are one of the few sectos in agriculture doing well, along with suppling a superior product for the consumer of Canada

As for setting limits of what can be produced on the farm for personal use and selling to neighbors, why shouldn't supply management farmers protect themselves from those wanting to piggy back off the successful system they have created. The whole concept of of SM is to not to over produce in order to ensure a steady and reliable income.

[Jay-mo]

How about you have 99, your wife take 99, and each kid take 99?

It's been alluded to but in Manitoba the quota limits are by land location.

[burnt]

Supply management farmers have invested hard work and millions of dollars into their operations to created a system in which to prosper and succeed as a farmer. I do not begrudge them in the least. They are one of the few sectos in agriculture doing well, along with suppling a superior product for the consumer of Canada

As for setting limits of what can be produced on the farm for personal use and selling to neighbors, why shouldn't supply management farmers protect themselves from those wanting to piggy back off the successful system they have created. The whole concept of of SM is to not to over produce in order to ensure a steady and reliable income.

All true, and well and good, in principle.

However, if SM wants to limit production for the benefit of profitability, then why should they not also be subject to production ceilings in order to benefit (profitability) a broader inclusion of ambitious farmers like Sheepwheat's daughter?

Is the system not missing a juncture of free enterprise and capitalistic opportunity?

Bottom line - why should my turkey neighbor have complete freedom to build his wealth toward a figure starting with a "B" while Sheepwheat's daughter is denied the opportunity to earn a few thousand dollars that could help her build a livelihood for herself and HER FUTURE?

Is it time to dismantle SM, without any compensation? They have had a darn good run.