Supply managed turkey

[bucket]

Well Sheepwheat, I can tell you why.

It's because she might pose a threat to the guy in our neighborhood who happens to be the largest turkey quota holder in Ontario, maybe even Canada.

He has barns spread all over southern Ontario, raising turkeys by the tens of thousands. He has become one of the wealthiest farmers in the country.

So if your daughter would raise 300 turkeys, she would threaten to topple his little empire.

Because not only might your daughter be allowed to practice free enterprise, but then your other sons and daughters, and other fathers' sons and daughters, might want to become capitalists as well - and you see where this is leading.

And if he were to loose his grip on the turkey industry, he would have to fall back on the massive wealth he created by buying up old age homes and related industries.

So in my best greta impersonation, including twisted face and diabolical eyes, I challenge you - HOW DARE YOU?

Supply management has become one of the best-intentioned, badly misguided and mismanaged schemes in farming.

Irrigation districts are number one followed by the SM scheme...

[FarmJunkie]

Watch “Holy Chicken” tells all u need to know why we are phucked in this society we have created. Especially considering the predicament we are in right now with the flu situation. All our chickens in 5 baskets!

[GDR]

Hwy 2 corridor
U?

Didsbury/olds area, so I know as do you about the pressure on land. But if you really think about it, is the problem SM or European farmers with big bank accounts and a different perspective on risk? I suspect it's more the latter that has caused the price appreciation. Most Europeans have continued with intensive livestock because thats what they know from back home but there are a some that have ventured on grain farms/ potatoes / feedlots and other non SM farms and they have done the same thing to land prices. For what its worth I dont have a problem with their investment either but it does make it hard to compete. Have made good friends with Swiss and Dutch immigrants.

Yes AB5 Lacombe and ponoka is bad, so is east of olds and then down around coaldale. Unreal amount of money has flowed to those areas the last 20yrs.

As for retail prices we've been down this road before, my personal belief is it does not affect the end price of the product but does impact the percentage back to farm gate. Ok to disagree on that because we just dont know.

[foragefarmer]

Supply management farmers have invested hard work and millions of dollars into their operations to created a system in which to prosper and succeed as a farmer. I do not begrudge them in the least. They are one of the few sectos in agriculture doing well, along with suppling a superior product for the consumer of Canada

As for setting limits of what can be produced on the farm for personal use and selling to neighbors, why shouldn't supply management farmers protect themselves from those wanting to piggy back off the successful system they have created. The whole concept of of SM is to not to over produce in order to ensure a steady and reliable income.

[Jay-mo]

How about you have 99, your wife take 99, and each kid take 99?

It's been alluded to but in Manitoba the quota limits are by land location.

[burnt]

Supply management farmers have invested hard work and millions of dollars into their operations to created a system in which to prosper and succeed as a farmer. I do not begrudge them in the least. They are one of the few sectos in agriculture doing well, along with suppling a superior product for the consumer of Canada

As for setting limits of what can be produced on the farm for personal use and selling to neighbors, why shouldn't supply management farmers protect themselves from those wanting to piggy back off the successful system they have created. The whole concept of of SM is to not to over produce in order to ensure a steady and reliable income.

All true, and well and good, in principle.

However, if SM wants to limit production for the benefit of profitability, then why should they not also be subject to production ceilings in order to benefit (profitability) a broader inclusion of ambitious farmers like Sheepwheat's daughter?

Is the system not missing a juncture of free enterprise and capitalistic opportunity?

Bottom line - why should my turkey neighbor have complete freedom to build his wealth toward a figure starting with a "B" while Sheepwheat's daughter is denied the opportunity to earn a few thousand dollars that could help her build a livelihood for herself and HER FUTURE?

Is it time to dismantle SM, without any compensation? They have had a darn good run.

[chuckChuck]

Would Canada have much of dairy and poultry industry plus the processing that goes with it if supply management didn't exist?

Wouldn't imports from the US which has lower costs of production overwhelm farmers here?

The US still subsidizes their dairy farmers.

If it is such a bad system why did Andrew Scheer bend over backwards for their support?

Most of the supply managed farmers vote conservative. Which makes no sense if you are arguing for free markets.

And many of the posters on this site support Trumps efforts to bring industry and jobs home to the US.

Supply managed ag industries with all their flaws, keep jobs and farmers in Canada and a local supply of food.

Without access to efficient processing systems and storage 99 turkeys is a challenge. Most entrepreneurs that raise poultry on a small scale are limited by the economies of scale and the fact that small scale poultry from farm to table is a lot of work.

There are some operations who are very successful at it and consumers are willing to pay more for pasture raised free range poultry.

[burnt]

Supply management farmers have invested hard work and millions of dollars into their operations to created a system in which to prosper and succeed as a farmer. I do not begrudge them in the least. They are one of the few sectos in agriculture doing well, along with suppling a superior product for the consumer of Canada

As for setting limits of what can be produced on the farm for personal use and selling to neighbors, why shouldn't supply management farmers protect themselves from those wanting to piggy back off the successful system they have created. The whole concept of of SM is to not to over produce in order to ensure a steady and reliable income.

I am coming to hate that like button...

One point of strong disagreement with your comment - How can you call it piggybacking when someone sells their very limited allocation of SM-regulated product at a very significant premium to the generic SM retail prices?

We have raised turkeys in the past and sold them at eye-popping prices to repeat customers. Quit doing it, much to the regret of those who bought from us. However, the next generation has picked up our customers. And charging more than we were!

SM has the gilded reputation of pumping out massive and affordable quantities of a generic, bland product with no variation in quality or distinct features.

That is how SM has damaged consumption and flattened the market.

So they have essentially created a model that will benefit only themselves to the hurt of more enterprising, ambitious ones.

Like Sheepwheat's daughter.

[Sheepwheat]

Wow thanks for the input to all who chatted here. Lol I never thought there’d be such interest. I have a friend who may help us out at least with the second 99. From what i have seen and researched, yes, each group of 99 has to be on separate farms. Anyone else want 99 turkeys free ranging their farm this summer? Lol

The main thing and reason I frown on the supply management issue, is that quota producers are not raising the turkeys how a large segment wants them raised. And so the end product is so incomparable, that they may as well be a different species. They are that different, and our buyers know it. It is not like I am a threat to current producers, because we are not even close to raising the same product.

That eleven Saskatchewan farmers have a corner on an entire bird, is bizarre to me. Especially when it is certainly not even close to the same birds we raise.

Thanks again for the interest!

[the big wheel]

There is 2 sides to every story, we get our need from a
Smaller farmer where not that you would but you could
Likely eat off the garage floor it’s that clean as is everything
Else but some of these small places just because it’s farm
Raised doesn’t mean it’s clean. In fact as a guy I know
That lives not far from a one of these not in my neck of the
Woods stated he wouldn’t eat that shit if it was
Free and the guy is selling abroad. Must not be much
Standard for small on farm or is there? Is it self regulated pretty
Much?

That’s who needs to look in the mirror!!!

[woodland]

Wow thanks for the input to all who chatted here. Lol I never thought there’d be such interest. I have a friend who may help us out at least with the second 99. From what i have seen and researched, yes, each group of 99 has to be on separate farms. Anyone else want 99 turkeys free ranging their farm this summer? Lol

The main thing and reason I frown on the supply management issue, is that quota producers are not raising the turkeys how a large segment wants them raised. And so the end product is so incomparable, that they may as well be a different species. They are that different, and our buyers know it. It is not like I am a threat to current producers, because we are not even close to raising the same product.

That eleven Saskatchewan farmers have a corner on an entire bird, is bizarre to me. Especially when it is certainly not even close to the same birds we raise.

Thanks again for the interest!

If we were neighbours you could definitely set up at my place ............. as long as it’s downwind of the yard😉

[Guest]

i would just let her raise them , would be a good news story when they arrest her , akin to the CWB fiasco, might blow this scam right out of the water. I don't think these SM tyrants would want that coverage

[foragefarmer]

Burnt

"I am coming to hate that like button"

Your subconscious knew I was right! Therefore, your finger reacted quicker than your brain registered it was Foragerfarmer you were "LIKING". To late now pal, hard pill to swallow eh!

Yes by all means let's dismantle Canadian SM so all those family farms can be wiped out by the flood enferior American products. Why give a shit about fellow Canadian farmers and the benefits they provide for the Canadian economy, the majority of you guys are infatuateted with the USA anyways. Did any of stop to think how much of your grain is being fed to the Canadian SM operations?

Let's drag SM down, as misery(grain farmer) loves company and SHEEP'S daughter can make a few bucks selling an extra dozen turkeys, as that's far more important then the entire country of SM farmers and the economic spinoffs they provide. Why is the excuse used that it is always someone else's fault for putting up road blocks that prevent them from succeeding.


You Righties are always touting your never envious of other people financial success, yet when it comes to SM you can't stand how prosperous they are.

[burnt]

i would just let her raise them , would be a good news story when they arrest her , akin to the CWB fiasco, might blow this scam right out of the water. I don't think these SM tyrants would want that coverage

I like your thinking.

Advertise the product widely in local and broad market papers. Pictures of free-range birds pecking away at the grass, eating weeds and stuff like ours did. Online adverts, video.

Ring up advance sales. Delivered to your front step. Guaranteed healthy, natural produce.

Then news coverage of the RCMP taking the grower out in handcuffs. All because s/he had 300 birds.

Interview a SM producer - oh wait - he wouldn't want his face on the front page.

The popular support would likely be shocking. What a way to get a message out.

This might be the time...

If there is news of my sudden demise in the next short while - look back on this as...LOL!

[burnt]

Burnt

"I am coming to hate that like button"

Your subconscious knew I was right! Therefore, your finger reacted quicker than your brain registered it was Foragerfarmer you were "LIKING". To late now pal, hard pill to swallow eh!

...


You Righties are always touting your never envious of other people financial success, yet when it comes to SM you can't stand how prosperous they are.

Dang, busted!! You likely knew all along...

Now, do Big Wheel liking his own post...