Hydroxchloroquine

[burnt]

96,000 patients from 631 hospitals say you are an idiot. Oh and the bleach drinking orange orangutan with the same IQ as you, also an idiot

Maybe because Trump represents everything despicable in Humanity.

Wow. These comments say more about the ones making them than anything or anyone else.

But they appear to be functioning at the highest level of their capability, so sad.

[jazz]

Wow. These comments say more about the ones making them than anything or anyone else.

Haha its hilarious how easily those two snowflakes are triggered. Both have full on foaming at the mouth TDS.

[fjlip]

And HCQ is only 5 cents a pill, lets make sure that never gets used, NO PROFIT for BIG Pharma!

[tweety]

And HCQ is only 5 cents a pill, lets make sure that never gets used, NO PROFIT for BIG Pharma!

Yes, prescribe a drug that increases heart attacks, deaths, and does not help Covid19 because it costs 5 cents.

Take a step back, look at what you wrote, and do just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Quite the collection here, wow is right.

[A990]

Yes, prescribe a drug that increases heart attacks, deaths, and does not help Covid19 because it costs 5 cents.

Take a step back, look at what you wrote, and do just a tiny bit of critical thinking. Quite the collection here, wow is right.

...maybe it/s you sir that's unable to do the critical thinking.
...are you so naive you think pharma wouldn]t goose a study for their own benefit?



Jerry Coyne, a relatively famous evolutionary biologist reversed his opinion of the study after writing a comment on his blog raking trump and his doctor over the coals

In two comments below, my own physician, Dr. Alex Lickerman, who carefully read the study I describe below (see his first comment and his second), noted that the sickest patients were the ones more likely to be given the chloroquine drugs, and were also the patients with the highest comorbidities—factors like heart disease that would tend to make them sicker. In other words, as Alex notes,

So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death? We simply can’t tell from this study. This is the problem with the observational study design. We CAN almost certainly say that hydroxychloroquine and its ilk don’t improve survival in COVID-19, but whether or not they increase mortality in COVID-19 we don’t yet know.

I am guilty of not having detected the flaws in the study, which are, I found, not even clearly pointed out by its authors in the traditional “here-are-some-weaknesses-in-this-study” part of the paper, and I thank Alex for the clarification. But even more culpable are the reviewers of that study, who did not insist on a clear outline of its limitations, as well as the medical/science journalists, who touted the study uncritically (like me!) Alex has helped me learn that many medical studies, even in journals as reputable as The Lancet, are pitifully weak or even fatally flawed.

[FarmJunkie]

Follow the money. Why u think bill gates wants a vaccine instead of using a 80 year old drug

[tweety]

...maybe it/s you sir that's unable to do the critical thinking.
...are you so naive you think pharma wouldn]t goose a study for their own benefit?

Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

Would you agree or disagree A990?

[A990]

Could very well be, lets see, lets put all studies aside. No one really gets better or seems to make much difference between taking and not taking HCQ. Taking the drug can impose a higher side effects risk then not taking it - they have known this for years. Critical thinking would suggest no matter who makes money or not, the drug is a non event.

What is needed is a drug that works, and HCQ has been found not to work - except in Trumps and Jazz's opinion. The hard reality is they haven't found anything that markedly helps yet. At this time, Covid19 for the win.

When you give a drug to a patient and it actually helps, the medical community knows right away. So far, nothing.

Would you agree or disagree A990?

The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/ https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/

https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf. https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf.

[tweety]

The drug my well be a non event and if it was the silver bullet we would know by now. However this study doesn't pass the sniff test, granted i'm no medical researcher but then neither are you.

So in this study the sicker patients who were already more likely to die from COVID-19 were twice as likely to get the drugs. So–was it the drugs that were responsible for their increased likelihood of death or the risk factors already known to increase the likelihood of death?
... i find t very difficult to believe is that somehow, a drug that has been in use for years for malaria and arthritis is now all of a sudden a death drug when used in a COVID infected person…

..it seems they were looking for a result/ ask yourself why these (treatment of patients with co-morbidities at late stages) were tested instead of administering HCQ+zinc at first symptoms -- where anecdotally it seems worth testing

...o, and it's not just trump and Jazz's opinion

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/ https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/

https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf. https://www.docdroid.net/80gIu9f/ess...nus-nordby.pdf.

I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways.

[A990]

I'll take that as an agree to it doesn't work. Correct me if i'm wrong in your assessment. I agree with you there are lots of questions, but the main one is answered, it has been tried in almost 100,000 patients and it doesn't help. That is unfortunate in many ways.

..imagine a study of engine oil on different engines.
Some engines had already spun a rod brg, some had wiped a lobe on the camshaft,and so on

..and in this study this oil was tested on these engines and it was found that these engines still failed.

...my takeaway from this study would not be that oil doesn't help but the study was flawed

So,no I don't agree it doesn't work
....if it's tested early onset with zinc and fails i will cahnge my mind,i wonder if you would change your's

testing is still ongoing

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/professional-downloads/recovery_noticetoinvestigators_2020-05-24_1422.pdf