This drives me nuts.....

[Guest]

Dont avoid the question!

So What part of the WHO Mission do you not agree with?

Its overarching mission is “attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health.”1 It supports its mission through activities such as:

providing technical assistance to countries,
setting international health standards and providing guidance on important health issues,
coordinating and supporting international responses to health emergencies such as disease outbreaks, and promoting and advocating for better global health.

are you serious ?
they supported chinas lies and misinformation
they waited until it was to late to declare a pandemic
they chose the old racism slur over shutting airports down and stopping this thing in its tracks
5 million , yes million, people left wuhan province between the time china told them about problem and the time that son of a bitch was kissing chinas ass
they said it wasn't human to human transferable
ah fu ck it, its like talking to a red fencepost

[chuckChuck]

From the guy who went on vacation to Honduras in the beginning of a pandemic? You have some nerve pointing fingers you hypocrite! You were potentially part of the problem!

Yup the WHO couLd have done a better job. But so could have Trump. But you avoid criticizing Trump! LOL

[Tucker]

From the guy who went on vacation to Honduras in the beginning of a pandemic? You have some nerve pointing fingers you hypocrite! You were potentially part of the problem!

Yup the WHO couLd have done a better job. But so could have Trump. But you avoid criticizing Trump! LOL

'chuck that is what they SAY their mandate is. What it it really? I remember a CWB mouthpiece trying to tell a room of farmers how great of a job they were doing selling our wheat when it went to $23/bu years ago. I stood up and said "You lying ba$tard. You're the ones BUYING it for that and then having to resell it to Nigeria for $5. Caught short and hung by american traders because you were too stupid to realize we didn't grow much wheat that year." I know you were a director during that. That was YOUR fault! Sit down and shut up now.

[chuckChuck]

Tucker try to stay on the subject at hand.

You still mad about the wheat board? Get over it. It's gone. I was never a director you fool.
LMAO

[Tucker]

Tucker try to stay on the subject at hand.

You still mad about the wheat board? Get over it. It's gone. I was never a director you fool.
LMAO

It is on topic. The CWB said one thing and acted totally different. WHO is exactly the same. You actually believe what they say? You're dumber than I thought.

[seldomseen]

I have no problem with their mission statement and at the start they likely did decent work. As the years go by the bureaucracy grows and and grows and becomes unaccountable and corrupt.

How much of that 160 million will actually go to people in need?

How much will just get shuffled around and end up in bank accounts of people that don't need it?

[chuckChuck]

Here is a good article that explains what the WHO is up against. Yes mistakes were made. But the real problems are made worse by international politics especially between China and the USA that want the WHO to be toothless and ineffective.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/world-health-organization-who-v-coronavirus-why-it-cant-handle-pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/world-health-organization-who-v-coronavirus-why-it-cant-handle-pandemic

But any suggestion that we shouldn't be funding and cooperating in an international effort to combat pandemics is really stupid.

Regardless of the WHO issues several posters have pointed the finger at all foreign aid as a problem.

This is the domain of the loony right who cant stand helping anyone but themselves.

[jazz]

Yes the WHO, that stalwart org who put a genocidal manaic at its head and then let China worm its way in there all while funded by the US.

We need to trust them implicitly.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/09/trump-vs-who/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/09/trump-vs-who/

Trump vs. the WHO: Breaking down the president’s claims and the WHO’s actions

By
Aaron Blake
April 9, 2020 at 2:34 p.m. CDT

President Trump has come under intense criticism for his early efforts to downplay the threat of the novel coronavirus. But on Wednesday, true to his I-am-rubber-and-you-are-glue form, he turned the same attack on the World Health Organization.

Appearing at the White House briefing, Trump continued his broadside against the WHO by alleging that it had “minimized” the threat. He pointed in particular to a Jan. 14 statement that the WHO had made and to its opposition to travel restrictions like the ones Trump enacted on China.

Trump added: “I mean, they got it very wrong. On many ways, they were wrong. They also minimized the threat very strongly, and — not good. "

Why exactly is Trump lashing out at the World Health Organization?

It’s quite ironic for Trump to attack an organization for minimizing the threat, given he would continue to do so repeatedly through mid-March. But that doesn’t mean the WHO isn’t ripe for criticism. Let’s look at Trump’s criticisms, along with what the WHO said and when.

“As you know, they made a statement on January 14 — I guess it was that there was no human-to-human transmission,” Trump said. “Well there was.”

In fact, the WHO didn’t say on Jan. 14 that there was no human-to-human transmission — just that there was “no evidence” of it at that point. In a much-criticized tweet, it said: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.”

In an accompanying report, it reasserted that but acknowledged there was still a possibility that it was being spread human-to-human.

“Additional investigation is needed to ascertain the presence of human-to-human transmission, modes of transmission, common source of exposure and the presence of asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases that are undetected,” the WHO said. “It is critical to review all available information to fully understand the potential transmissibility among humans.”

As that shows, despite saying there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission, the WHO did not rule it out.

The statements, though, came the same day that a WHO official said for the first time there was indeed “limited” evidence of human-to-human transmission. Maria Van Kerkhove, the acting head of WHO’s emerging diseases unit, said in Geneva that day that hospitals were being informed that there was a risk of spread and even a “super-spreading” event.

“This is something on our radar, it is possible, we need to prepare ourselves,” she said.

Taiwan has also said in recent weeks that it told the WHO in late December that it was seeing evidence of human-to-human transmission, and accused it of not passing that information along. (Taiwan has sought inclusion in the WHO, but China has fought against it.)
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By Jan. 22, the WHO was more definitive, with its mission in China saying, “Data collected through detailed epidemiological investigation and through the deployment of the new test kit nationally suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan.”
Too friendly with China?

Whether the WHO should have known or said so sooner is the key question here. The most frequent criticism of it, which is hardly unique to Trump and Taiwan, is that it was being too deferential toward and praiseworthy of China. Critics accuse it of believing the data it was receiving and accepting it as gospel, despite evidence that China covered up previous outbreaks (and possibly this one), while ignoring warning signs.

“It’s been very unfair,” Trump said last week. “It’s been very — very much sided with China, and a lot of people are not happy about it.”


On Jan. 29, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said of China, “Its actions actually helped prevent the spread of coronavirus to other countries.” He said he was “very impressed and encouraged by the [President Xi Jinping’s] detailed knowledge of the outbreak.”

The same day, another WHO official said, “China is doing the right things, and China is responding in a massive way.” The official also said, “We’ve seen no obvious lack of transparency.”

But just three days later, on Feb. 1, The Washington Post reported on how missteps and secrecy were marring the Chinese response. The United States, for example, had offered to send experts and been ignored. By Feb. 8, The Post reported that the WHO’s continued praise of China was baffling to experts.

Chinese officials note serious problems in coronavirus response. The World Health Organization keeps praising them.

By late February, the WHO was forced to acknowledge something others had been saying for several weeks — that China hadn’t been as virtuous and forthcoming as its previous comments had indicated. As The Post’s report said:

What is clear is that China is not sending details that WHO officials and other experts expect and need.
“China has learned at least one lesson from SARS. They're cooperating with WHO just enough to stave off accusations that they are not cooperating,” said Mara Pillinger, an associate in global health policy and governance at Georgetown’s O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law.
“This partial collaboration makes it politically tricky for WHO to publicly contradict or go around the Chinese government,” Pillinger said, “because WHO needs to do everything it can to encourage stronger cooperation from China.”

World Health Organization: China not sharing data on coronavirus infections among health-care workers

This is the chief complaint about the WHO, and the timeline above shows how merited it is. Defenders say the WHO needs to be diplomatic in an attempt to assure China is cooperative in such situations, but there is certainly a balance to be struck.

Trump is no stranger to that balance, and when it comes to his own complaints about the organization, he’s living in a glass house. In this same period, he also repeatedly vouched for China. He said Jan. 24 that “The United States greatly appreciates [China’s] efforts and transparency.” He also said Feb. 7 that he wasn’t concerned about China covering things up. He said Feb. 26 that China was working “very hard” and on March 4 that it had the situation under control.

To the extent the WHO’s assurances about China were lending it unwarranted credibility, you could argue Trump was doing the same.

The travel restrictions criticism

The other issue Trump spotlighted Wednesday was the WHO criticizing travel restrictions like the ones he imposed on China on Jan. 31.

“They criticized me very strongly when I said that we’re going to shut down flights coming in from China, and especially from certain parts of China, but from China generally,” Trump said. “We were criticized very badly.”

Trump’s travel restrictions did indeed go against the WHO’s long-standing advice about such things. But just as Trump has consistently exaggerated the domestic resistance to the move, he appears to be doing the same here. As STAT News reported this week:

The record doesn’t bear the president’s claim out, however. Senior leaders of the WHO, including Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, have been holding three-times weekly press briefings for several months now. They have not overtly criticized the United States — or any other country — for instituting travel bans.
They did, however, talk about how such bans exceed the bounds of the International Health Regulations 2005.

The WHO said Jan. 27, shortly before Trump announced travel restrictions, that, “With the information currently available for the novel coronavirus, WHO advises that measures to limit the risk of exportation or importation of the disease should be implemented, without unnecessary restrictions of international traffic.”

It would go on to say in late February: “WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing covid-19 outbreaks. … However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.”

As with many other things Trump criticizes, there may be real merit to his underlying argument, but he often stretches his claims too far and ignores his own liabilities on the very same issues. That’s especially true of his allegation that the WHO had “minimized” the threat, even as he was doing the same for several weeks after the events he highlighted.

[Guest]

From the guy who went on vacation to Honduras in the beginning of a pandemic? You have some nerve pointing fingers you hypocrite! You were potentially part of the problem!

Yup the WHO couLd have done a better job. But so could have Trump. But you avoid criticizing Trump! LOL

little testy this morning ?
actually wasn't in the middle of a pandemic , wasn't even an epidemic yet according to your man or that prick at the WHO, when we left . unfortunately for guys like you, that were hoping , i never got it , nor did the 12 people with us , or any other agriville travellers. and for what its worth, it was Roatan ,an island 40 miles off honduras, one of the few places in the world with ZERO cases
trump is nuts , have never said different , but seems to care about his country , unlike this buffoon, trying to kill the western half of this one
what you don't understand is that you have no control over him or american politics and the majority of americans that voted him in must be sick of listening to the likes of you and canadian MSM. all you and yours are doing is causing damage to our country