More Garbage Models

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There are so many factors that can weigh on a study like that it is wise to shoot for the middle or lower end of the results.
I read a lot of the replies to the study in the comments section. Some good points made about stretching this idea out too far.

Yes, all valid points, I should have added many caveats, conditions and what-ifs.

[farming101]

So where is our test city? Where can we blitz the hell out of a hot spot city in Canada to learn who has, or has not had exposure? This experiment should be doable to tell how far along the path to herd immunity a location has come. Model of some confidence from that.

Perhaps Cote-Saint-Luc, 900 cases/100,000. 292 actual cases documented, 34,642 population(estimated), 7 sq km. On the island of Montreal not far from Dorval

[farmaholic]

How ironic this topic is being discussed on an Agricultural forum where it's participants are all too familiar with the power of Mother Nature.

Doing nothing is foolhardy, taking measures to lessen the potential severity is wise, thinking we can stomp this thing out is naive.

The Genie is out of the bottle, it won't go back in. How could we ever expect this to stop circulating? Trying to manage it might help reduce its spread. Won't there always be that handful of infectious people....somewhere? As mentioned numerous times before....herd immunity and vaccines are required. And after that it will likely become part of the influenza complex like some others before it.

Didn't some past plagues and pandemics last two years? In Canada this thing is in its infancy.

Geez, I hope I'm wrong

[malleefarmer]

Interesting was at hospital this arvo to visit mom.

As of Friday hospitals tightenING cv19 restrictions not loosening.

All countries doing it differently at least another month here kind of want to make sure from pm

Indonesia fast becoming a basket case not much info getting out buryem and shut the f up

[fjlip]

Interesting was at hospital this arvo to visit mom.

As of Friday hospitals tightenING cv19 restrictions not loosening.

All countries doing it differently at least another month here kind of want to make sure from pm

Indonesia fast becoming a basket case not much info getting out buryem and shut the f up

Australia 6500 cases, Canada 33000, you are doing just fine, curves are going down. We envy you.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

How ironic this topic is being discussed on an Agricultural forum where it's participants are all too familiar with the power of Mother Nature.

Doing nothing is foolhardy, taking measures to lessen the potential severity is wise, thinking we can stomp this thing out is naive.

The Genie is out of the bottle, it won't go back in. How could we ever expect this to stop circulating? Trying to manage it might help reduce its spread. Won't there always be that handful of infectious people....somewhere? As mentioned numerous times before....herd immunity and vaccines are required. And after that it will likely become part of the influenza complex like some others before it.

Didn't some past plagues and pandemics last two years? In Canada this thing is in its infancy.

Geez, I hope I'm wrong

Especially those of us dealing with scouring calves at the same time. Where about the only solution is social distancing, to keep the baby calves away from the older infected calves. Treating the disease is all but futile, prevention( vaccinated cows and calves as soon as they are born), is apparently no match for the weather and resulting mud we are experiencing. Hard to social distance when there is still feet of snow everywhere, and soon to be the equivalent amount of water.

[woodland]

Especially those of us dealing with scouring calves at the same time. Where about the only solution is social distancing, to keep the baby calves away from the older infected calves. Treating the disease is all but futile, prevention( vaccinated cows and calves as soon as they are born), is apparently no match for the weather and resulting mud we are experiencing. Hard to social distance when there is still feet of snow everywhere, and soon to be the equivalent amount of water.

Sunlight and green grass seems to be the only cure for our scours. Of course the benefit of grass is distancing and cleanliness ............... sure sounds like what society is going through currently.

[farmaholic]

Sunlight and green grass seems to be the only cure for our scours. Of course the benefit of grass is distancing and cleanliness ............... sure sounds like what society is going through currently.

When we had cattle I remember the bad scour outbreaks were caused by the Rota and "Corona" viruses. That Corona virus caused gastro intestinal problems, then dehydration and death. I did alot of electrolyte therapy and secondary infection prevention. I got mad at the vet when he suggested it was our "management" intensifying the problem. Before it got to be a real problem we were not vaccinating the cows or orally vaccinating the new borns. The other problem was "barn calving" in the middle of winter....nothing like confined spaces to aid the spread. Afew would even be taken to the clinic for IV therapy, the real disheartening ones were the deaths after making that effort to save them, sometimes it didn't seem to matter how early you treated the calf. But vaccination definitely helped...even if it only reduced the severity of it....it made it easier for the calf to fight it....but it was so important for the calf to get that colostrum asap after birth. Having dopey exotic breeds never helped, seems black Angus calves are born already standing.....

Best of luck cattlemen, weather from year to year can have a huge impact on results. Pick a time and hope for the best. Fall calving isn't bad either but mama is going to need a better winter diet to support herself and the nursing calf, and her poor teats really take a beating.

[sumdumguy]

We weren't cattle producers but we did adopt a Semanthol abandoned twin from a friend who didn’t want to bother with him. The calf came to live in our car garage at our house in town, after rounding up a couple of bails of straw. We fed him cows milk with lentil puree with a little molasses. The owner came back from the lake in a couple of weeks and came over, said, “ that calf will never survive without colostrum”. Well he grew up to be a really big boy - huge, healthy, when out at the farm, he pushed grain augers around, he was a mover. That’s how city farmers do it boys👍😂 (lentil fed beef)

[farmaholic]

Did the boys end up eating him? Lol!

Edit in...Im getting a bit off topic here. But I did mention Corona Virus, vaccinations and social distancing in my previous post..

[beaverdam]

Australia 6500 cases, Canada 33000, you are doing just fine, curves are going down. We envy you.

At the point when Australia had 15-1900 cases, Canada had fewer.
At the point when Australia had 1900-2100 cases, Canada had very close to the same number of cases.
Some where in the 2000-2100 cases Canada surpassed Australia, and we haven't looked back.
So that now, Australia 6500 cases, Canada 33000

Worldometer has Canada's pop at 37.7mil Australia's pop at 25.5mil

[shtferbrains]

When we had cattle I remember the bad scour outbreaks were caused by the Rota and "Corona" viruses. That Corona virus caused gastro intestinal problems, then dehydration and death. I did alot of electrolyte therapy and secondary infection prevention. I got mad at the vet when he suggested it was our "management" intensifying the problem. Before it got to be a real problem we were not vaccinating the cows or orally vaccinating the new borns. The other problem was "barn calving" in the middle of winter....nothing like confined spaces to aid the spread. Afew would even be taken to the clinic for IV therapy, the real disheartening ones were the deaths after making that effort to save them, sometimes it didn't seem to matter how early you treated the calf. But vaccination definitely helped...even if it only reduced the severity of it....it made it easier for the calf to fight it....but it was so important for the calf to get that colostrum asap after birth. Having dopey exotic breeds never helped, seems black Angus calves are born already standing.....

Best of luck cattlemen, weather from year to year can have a huge impact on results. Pick a time and hope for the best. Fall calving isn't bad either but mama is going to need a better winter diet to support herself and the nursing calf, and her poor teats really take a beating.

You described that like a battle hardened veteran.

Only things you forgot were the ungrateful mother screaming in your ear and threatening to kill you and that stink that sticks to everything and doesn't go away until the caves start running around on the green grass.

[Guest]

At the point when Australia had 15-1900 cases, Canada had fewer.
At the point when Australia had 1900-2100 cases, Canada had very close to the same number of cases.
Some where in the 2000-2100 cases Canada surpassed Australia, and we haven't looked back.
So that now, Australia 6500 cases, Canada 33000

Worldometer has Canada's pop at 37.7mil Australia's pop at 25.5mil

but take quebec out of the canadian equation ? they said they are their own country, just not now ?

[fjlip]

but take quebec out of the canadian equation ? they said they are their own country, just not now ?

They have been RUNNING the country all my life, they own us. Karma?

[Guest]

news sources, (not the state broadcaster or CTV) saying lots still won't isolate , weddings , gatherings , etc. still going on
glad i live in Sask when you look at their nursing homes