Ag Stab A waste of Time and paper and employees.

[GOODRUM]

Be a good thing to have a few more packing plants , the day may come where more smaller farms would be benifcal as well, at least health wise instead of financial.

[tweety]

Tweety that’s what happens with hard work and a little luck when younger and a dream. Then a wife that brings something to the plate and finally always going the other way when the group goes one way.

Farmers in canada get screwed on every turn.

We pay every time the USA farmers get money.

Deere case NH all base our price on what the USA farmer will pay. When they have cash they spend.

So what’s your answer this bullshit

Really easy answer.

We don't invest in public perception - GMO is a disaster, cows killing the planet, bad treatment of animals. No one knows what a farmer even is - all they ever do is ask for money and get lots of tax dollars

We don't invest in lobbying and government communications in a unified approach. Commissions?? NFU? RM's. CFA? The catholic church. Need i say more.....

We do invest millions in figuring out how to grow 3 more bushels.

We invest lots in complaining about our situation.

But most will just glaze over and expect someone else to do it for them

[foragefarmer]

Sum

'Hey, Tweety, have you seen the houses and vacation properties of the managers and CEO’s of Bombardier, SNC, Air Canada, CBC? "


I'm sure they do, probably big ones and good on them, but they're smart enough not to go on some chat line bragging about owning them.

Maybe that's why they became CEOs and know it wouldn't look good if asking for government. On the other hand SK3 has used Agriville to let the whole world know he owns a house in Florida.

You see the difference?

[Richard5]

I have said it before I got a check back in 2003 for the frost of 2002 and thought the program worked then in 2012 I had an audit because they had no work and guess what I had to pay it all back. Over a hundred thousand dollars. Ok, no problem.

Then came the flood years and slowly it was like trying to find a leak in Hover Dam. Margins dropped slowly over the years.

So Zero payments ever again so just send the check and all is good.

Then a few years ago my Accountant gets a letter and so do I that they aren't happy about something that happened in 2015. The long list we ignored and couldn't care since its a useless program.

Well with having 1/3 of the crop out I thought maybe its time to be nice so we answered all questions about the shit show of 2015. Flood and wildlife etc.

Yesterday I get a letter thanking me for helping out but now they want more info.

Sending a letter to tell them to stick the useless program and dropping out.

This never was a program that would work. It was bullshit from day one.

Money comes to the province from Ottawa to employ people and that money is spent making sure people don't qualify for anything.

Ah once you realize they all don't care a **** about farmers and its just you.

Have a great day Done with Ag STab

I have a question. You have mentioned several times that you received money from Agstab from 2002 and had to pay back. May I ask what were you supposed to get? Did you prepare yourself or have someone prepare it for you in which they should have calculated the amount. In any of the years that AgStab/CAIS/CFIP paid out, I always knew what I supposed to get and it was always 99% the same as the payment received.

[SASKFARMER]

We froze in 2002 on August 3 real bad. Crop sucked for yield sent in and guess what sweet **** all.

Done by a accounting firm.

It’s a stupid useless program

[Richard5]

We froze in 2002 on August 3 real bad. Crop sucked for yield sent in and guess what sweet **** all.

Done by a accounting firm.

It’s a stupid useless program

Everyone froze in 2002. Well you must be doing just fine, even with the last 10 out 15 being flood years. Hope you get your crop off, it sounds like its turned out ok in the end and if done before end of April its much better than fighting with it still in mid may.

You really should try looking at the positive instead of bitching all the time

[Sodbuster]

Getting back to the subject, what percent of farmer’s are actually in Ag-Stab? I’ve been out for at least 5 years and have no plan to join until there are some significant changes made and I doubt the SK party has the appetite to address this problem. JMHO

[farmaholic]

Getting back to the subject, what percent of farmer’s are actually in Ag-Stab? I’ve been out for at least 5 years and have no plan to join until there are some significant changes made and I doubt the SK party has the appetite to address this problem. JMHO

It's doing exactly what they want it to do, not paying benefits.
And as ZI ssid before, it's the barometer for the financial health for a cross section of enrolled farms.
Did someone say our enrollment fee is paying them to analyze the economic and production data of our farms.
Also, the government saw the huge potential liability staring them in the face, they thought it needed to be mitigated.

As crazy as tweety drives some of you, is he that far off base when he says the solution rests with us(to a degree...my words), at least within our own borders. Not competing with other nations treasuries but controlling what we can. Probably require a monumental shift in thinking.

[SASKFARMER]

Yes, Richard things to work out just fine. We could be in mid-may harvesting and the snow just left. April in Eastern Sask can be a bitch, cold wet and snowy. So yea i am a really happy camper.

What I post and yes it seems negative is because Ag once gave farmers a nice paycheck. Now we're working and that's all we do is play with big dollars.

[bucket]

It's doing exactly what they want it to do, not paying benefits.
And as ZI ssid before, it's the barometer for the financial health for a cross section of enrolled farms.
Did someone say our enrollment fee is paying them to analyze the economic and production data of our farms.
Also, the government saw the huge potential liability staring them in the face, they thought it needed to be mitigated.
.

Agristabilty says I must be doing OK because I haven't had a payment....alot of mistakes made on their data entry side that I have had to figure out for them...

But as far as a barometer of financial health....bankers decide that on an individual farm...


But FCC has the idea that if you don't want to go big ...they will recommend a buyer for your farm...

While my numbers are discouraging....starting to grow some parts of the farm from within can take a toll on revenue...

Rebuilding the herd using my own cattle is a marathon not a sprint...now throw in another issue like what is going on now which will be similar to BSE with not an ounce of help for the sector....I am trying to explain 75 cent per pound calves to my kid ....you soon lose your zest for seeing a new calf ....

[sumdumguy]

Once upon a time, in the beginning, accountants could figure out exactly what your AIDA cheque would be and if the cheque was different, they phoned in and corrected the processors. I think the Chinese got into the computers and messed them up. Maybe WAWAY. 🙅🏼*♂️

[sawfly1]

2nd or third year in to agistability
Accountant said it is not worth
The effort. So have been out ever
Since
Crop insurance on the other hand
Is not that expensive, compared to hail and with no
Claims even better. It may be 15 years
To collect, but it is there.
Aginvest is a no brainer.
As for govt. Help, land rent values ,will tell the health
Of the industry. Are they dropping?
I thought we all did not want to be socialist
Like the US farmers. On the government teat.
Our asset values are not going to gain too much
Sympathy in town
And do we hear hutts ,complaining, our competition.
Nope .
Yes we work hard but Forage is right, living the life
Does not bode weĺl for a govt. Payment.

[Guest]

Getting back to the subject, what percent of farmer’s are actually in Ag-Stab? I’ve been out for at least 5 years and have no plan to join until there are some significant changes made and I doubt the SK party has the appetite to address this problem. JMHO

we looked at getting back into it last year but the paperwork and prying into our business reminded me why i got out in the first place , finally said piss on it
we carry crop ins and hail ins anyways so no chance collecting

[Sodbuster]

Was at a Agstab meeting just after Ritz gutted the program, talked to the head of Agstab after meeting and he admitted that the Program was dead and would not provide what it was originally designed for. It put him awkward position to try to explain to farmers why they didn’t qualify.

[tweety]

Yes, Richard things to work out just fine. We could be in mid-may harvesting and the snow just left. April in Eastern Sask can be a bitch, cold wet and snowy. So yea i am a really happy camper.

What I post and yes it seems negative is because Ag once gave farmers a nice paycheck. Now we're working and that's all we do is play with big dollars.

Glazed right over the problem, didn't ya Saskfarmer. You are getting what you asked for - nothing. You asked for nothing, got nothing.

Now go back to ranting and complaining about how unfair life is.