Sure you guys think I’m pro China.......

[malleefarmer]

Rinse repeat we need strong functional china.

Flame away go for the jugular jazz

Wheat - Global stock to use (including and excluding China)

[burnt]

Mallee, no disagreement from me. Because I don't equate recognizing the value of a market with being pro-customer and everything he represents.

I think what is frustrating to most is that markets get intertwined with politics. Then we get a tangled, bloody mess.

So if we could separate the wheat market, for example, from the effects of importing the Wu Flu courtesy of a CPP corrupt communist government, we would be satisfied.

But as we have learned, that is impossible.

So, what is the real value of that Chinese market?

Conversely, what is the real present-day cost of that 55" hi-def TV on the wall? Just askin' here.

IMHO, I don't think 99.9% of Canadians can afford that tv. (My guess may be too low)

[farmaholic]

....not too hard to read between the lines for the subliminal message in that last post.

[ajl]

A strong functional China would be nice to have but it will be a pipe dream under the current leadership there. To me a strong functional China would be one that practices free trade and does not steal intellectual property. It also does not try to cover up deadly pandemic. Instead we have to deal with a China that wants free access into our markets but retains the right to restrict and tariff our exports into theirs. So the real question back to you Mallee is: who's responsibility is it to prop up China? The US did it under previous administrations but now it has decided that it will no longer do so.

[sumdumguy]

Mallee, no disagreement from me. Because I don't equate recognizing the value of a market with being pro-customer and everything he represents

Conversely, what is the real present-day cost of that 55" hi-def TV on the wall? Just askin' here.

IMHO, I don't think 99.9% of Canadians can afford that tv. (My guess may be too low)

Visions has 55 HD Smart Alexa $348 Cdn. And a wall mount $68 (also from China)

[burnt]

Visions has 55 HD Smart Alexa $348 Cdn. And a wall mount $68 (also from China)

Okay, so my original post was a wild hijack of a good thread.

Apologies.

[Guest]

and they've been well used

[malleefarmer]

A strong functional China would be nice to have but it will be a pipe dream under the current leadership there. To me a strong functional China would be one that practices free trade and does not steal intellectual property. It also does not try to cover up deadly pandemic. Instead we have to deal with a China that wants free access into our markets but retains the right to restrict and tariff our exports into theirs. So the real question back to you Mallee is: who's responsibility is it to prop up China? The US did it under previous administrations but now it has decided that it will no longer do so.

Re tariffs seems tit for tat. China picked up its bat and ball and went to South America, not sure if anyone won the game. Super tariffs are a slippery slope.

Myself I preferred the world pretarriff war but I’m not a Canadian or USA farmer to enjoy perceived benefits.

Pandemic cover up yeah they should have fessed up but in the ultimate I wonder if anyone would have don3 anything different. Betcha if it was announced a potential virulent flu strain is rampant in China and they locked down earlier the world would have taken wait and see approach and same result possibly and the powers to be would have said it’s just the flu or conspiracy guys they have created this flu to lower markets and still done nothing.

None of us on here know Jack shit about what really happened or his brother John

Every aussie wool grower is hurting bad down 30% roughly processing just restarting but no wool exported here to China restrictions, no unloading in China yet and not much demand for finished product but hopefully rebound quickly.

[malleefarmer]

Kinda like you guys don’t need China persay as not a lot of direct sales of produce but could say underpins the market on many fronts.

Heard economist last night refuting the fact that globalisation is dead and buried, he was along the lines that western economies can’t all of a sudden become self sufficient and red tape, pollution carbon protocol will make new or restarting bussiness expensive if not impossible to happen.

Interesting times I’m out of my depth, hey I scoffed at idea of oil going below $40

[shtferbrains]

Apparently we are "negotiating" with the Chineeze and don't even know it.

https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=China%20Imposes% 20Tighter%20Restrictions%20on%20Canadian%20Canola% 20and%20Largest%20Exporters%20Remain%20Blocked_Ott awa_Canada_04-03-2020 https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=China%20Imposes% 20Tighter%20Restrictions%20on%20Canadian%20Canola% 20and%20Largest%20Exporters%20Remain%20Blocked_Ott awa_Canada_04-03-2020

"Canadian and Chineseofficials had a phone call on March 30 to discuss a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between Canada and China, signed in 2016, which established certain requirements for trade. That MOU expired on March 31st, 2020. Though Canada and China are currently without an MOU, Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau said in a statement that China will continue to allow the imports of canola seed if Canada meets the new dockage requirements. China has stated that it is decreasing the dockage limit over concerns about blackleg being transmitted through dockage. There is widespread concern amongst canola exporters that China had been making large purchases of canola recently in order to build up its stocks prior to the expiry of the MOU.According to industry, Canada has been exporting canola to China under temporary MOUs for two decades. A 2016 MOU established the following parameters:-Canada and China will invest resources into researching risks and mitigation of blackleg.-Canola seed exports to China can only go to processing facilities approved by Chinese authorities in areas where ****seed is not grown. -Dockage limits remain at 2.5 percent, the standard set out by the Canadian Grain Commission

I'm sure Minister BoBo has this all under control.*

[TASFarms]

Pre tariffs China would be before my time . China always has a certain level of tariffs with Canada.