Wheres Chuck?

[sumdumguy]

Another is to stop the billions in subsidies for mature technology like oil, gas, coal. Also use that money to research new products. We have so much cheap energy, how delinquent is it of us not to use it to figure out new forms of renewable energy - because oil, gas, coal are definitely non-renewable.[/QUOTE]


Wd - research has been on-going but the fact is coal, oil, nat gas is the best dependable, safe storage of energy known to man at this time. In time, there will be viable alternatives but sun and wind don’t meet the criteria of dependable (proven over and over again in test trials and actual application). Why beat a dead horse?

[jazz]

There are only 2 energy sources worth pursuing for grid supplied power, fission and fusion. We have one of those figured out.

The only energy source worth pursuing for transportation is hydrogen which will come from fossil fuels anyway.

Everything else is a virtue signalling expensive waste of time.

And now that the world has been shut down, we can see the real problems. Overuse of energy to feed a globalization scam. And the total lack of coverage about the real pollutants in our cities, NOx SOx and particulates.

Someone pitches a initiative to reduce those pollutants and everyone would be on board.

[chuckChuck]

The economics of wind and solar are already better than new coal and gas in many places. They cant provide all our electricity needs, but matched with hydro and cleaner fossil fuels and technology they go along way to reducing emissions and reducing pollution.

Resource extraction for materials is still a problem and has environmental risks. This is evolving technology and improvements in reducing environmental impacts is ongoing.

Nuclear may be an option but it is still relatively very expensive.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The economics of wind and solar are already better than new coal and gas in many places. They cant provide all our electricity needs, but matched with hydro and cleaner fossil fuels and technology they go along way to reducing emissions and reducing pollution.
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Remember all the fun times you made this claim, and I challenged you to find a real world example of where adding wind and solar did not disproportionately raise electricity prices, and you failed to find even a single example that wasn't future tense? I won't bother asking again.

At least you are learning how to make posts that aren't so easily refuted, I see you now differentiate between pollution and emissions. By which I assume you mean actual harmful particulate pollutants, vs. vital harmless, colorless, odorless CO2. Well done, perhaps you can help our dear leader understand the difference too.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
I bet there are no solar panels there
Someone i know is going to check next time he is by there
These libtards dont usually like spending their own money

"The UK set a new solar power record on 20 April after solar farms generated more than 9.6GW of electricity for the first time."

Now I am confused. CaseIH says he will get someone to check if Chucks solar panels are real, and you respond with UK's solar output on April 20th. When did you move to UK, and what portion of the 9.6 GW is from your own panels?

[Guest]

NW Sask is where they should be
Wont say anymore
FWIW the only person i have ever blocked is that whacked out glyphosate crusader, in response to the earlier post about blocking people or things
A neighbor here put up panels and said w/o the subsidy now they need 60 years to pay for themselves

[fjlip]

chuck et al must be IMMORTAL to invest in such a SHITTY return on investment to those who live 80-90 max!

[wd9]

Wd - research has been on-going but the fact is coal, oil, nat gas is the best dependable, safe storage of energy known to man at this time. In time, there will be viable alternatives but sun and wind don’t meet the criteria of dependable (proven over and over again in test trials and actual application). Why beat a dead horse?

I'm not beating a dead horse, never said the research was limited to sun and wind - just something other then oil and gas non renewable.

They certainly are reliable - all the effort it takes is extract and light a match. But its a one way trip. I think the worst thing society in general ever did was thinking existing solar and wind power were "good enough" and then we just stopped dreaming up new ideas. Battery tech is advancing a lot, but we still need something to charge them that isn't coal fired.

[TASFarms]

Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Who would have thought Michael Moore could make a movie with so many obvious lies and half truths?

[jazz]

Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.

If you care about emissions reductions while still having an energy dense source of fuel which is clearly not what the sun and wind provide and nuclear still too scary, NG is the ONLY interim solution.

But if you look deeper in the documentary, the real motives of the green mafia are evident. Population reduction, end of capitalism and then a cult group emerges that dances in the mud one with nature. Green movement and climate change just a cover.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Who would have thought Michael Moore could make a movie with so many obvious lies and half truths?

That is the funniest part, that a guy who has made a career out of spreading misinformation, is suddenly a pariah because he directed it in the opposite direction, but was a hero before because he attacked the other side.

[sumdumguy]

Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.

Coupled with that NG can be liquified and piped across the country safely and cheaply.

[chuckChuck]

A5 Whats even funnier is you consider the anti-capitalist Moore a hero now! LOL

As I said one film maker one film does not tell the whole story.

If you want actual numbers on the cost of renewables and the impact on electricity prices contact Saskpower and the utilities in North Dakota, Texas, California, The UK, Germany, Denmark as they all have their own numbers on the impact of wind and solar on electricity prices.

No one is prepared to believe your estimates and assumptions without the facts from actual utilities.

[TASFarms]

A5 Whats even funnier is you consider the anti-capitalist Moore a hero now! LOL

As I said one film maker one film does not tell the whole story.

If you want actual numbers on the cost of renewables and the impact on electricity prices contact Saskpower and the utilities in North Dakota, Texas, California, The UK, Germany, Denmark as they all have their own numbers on the impact of wind and solar on electricity prices.

No one is prepared to believe your estimates and assumptions without the facts from actual utilities.

Renewables cost more. I cringe every time I see big wind mill. Didn’t Ontario prove that they are expressive to run. Sky high power bills.