Wheres Chuck?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Renewables cost more. I cringe every time I see big wind mill. Didn’t Ontario prove that they are expressive to run. Sky high power bills.

Ontario has certainly been a poster child for the ill conceived movement, but they are not alone, the same results have been achieved everywhere else the experiment has been repeated.

[Robertbarlage]

Gerald butts should be sued to hell because of it to!

[fjlip]

Looks like we should outlive every one of those UGLY EXPENSIVE high Maintenance resource wasting monsters. I liked the part in the movie when they knocked the fu ckers to the ground...MORE expenses!

[jazz]

When the energy from a collection source is insufficent to reproduce that collection source, its a net loser no matter how you want to spin it. The energy from a windmill cannot build another windmill.

The energy from coal, gas or oil can not only replace itself but can feed excess energy to the user.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A5 Whats even funnier is you consider the anti-capitalist Moore a hero now! LOL

Has anyone else figured out if Chuck has a reading problem, comprehension problem, or is just so busy Being self important That he just doesn't need to read anyone else's posts before responding?

[fjlip]

Wait for it...Prophet St Gore just revealed to all chuck type minions, THAT climate Change makes Pandemic worse! Full speed ahead must kill oil/gas ASAP! Pay more for less, borrow to build sh*t that never pays...Good one jazz, a turbine can never pay for another turbine! Each ugly monster means adding more DEBT/WASTE!

[jazz]

In simpler terms, renewable energy equals destroyed capital, while non renewable energy expands capital.

By my estimation, capital is much more rare than fossil fuels.

The weath created by fossil fuels is many orders of magnitude than renewables could ever produce. The green jobs is a big lie.

Renewables will result in energy poverty and real poverty as well. They need to be abandoned as quickly as possible to pursue nuclear.

[chuckChuck]

A5 Ontario is an interesting case. Subsidized renewables to create manufacturing and installation jobs. Oversupplied electricity markets, cancelled natural gas plants and very high nuclear legacy costs, and a large deregulated system that is a mess. And all the blame for high prices goes to renewables? LOL Try again.

Instead of your sweeping generalizations that renewables drive up the cost of electricity prices "every where" maybe show us the numbers from a few other states, provinces, countries to prove your point.

Everywhere is a big place! What about real numbers from all the jurisdictions I mentioned in a previous post?

And try not to regress back to personal insults because you have so far failed to provide anything more than useless rhetoric.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/30/covid-19-crisis-demand-fossil-fuels-iea-renewable-electricity https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/30/covid-19-crisis-demand-fossil-fuels-iea-renewable-electricity

Covid-19 crisis will wipe out demand for fossil fuels, says IEA

Renewable electricity may be only source to withstand biggest shock in 70 years


Jillian Ambrose Energy correspondent

Thu 30 Apr 2020 05.00 BST
Last modified on Thu 30 Apr 2020 05.04 BST

Renewable electricity will be the only source resilient to the biggest global energy shock in 70 years triggered by the coronavirus pandemic, according to the world’s energy watchdog.

The International Energy Agency said the outbreak of Covid-19 would wipe out demand for fossil fuels by prompting a collapse in energy demand seven times greater than the slump caused by the global financial crisis.

In a report, the IEA said the most severe plunge in energy demand since the second world war would trigger multi-decade lows for the world’s consumption of oil, gas and coal while renewable energy continued to grow.

The steady rise of renewable energy combined with the collapse in demand for fossil fuels means clean electricity will play its largest ever role in the global energy system this year, and help erase a decade’s growth of global carbon emissions.
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Fatih Birol, the IEA’s executive director, said: “The plunge in demand for nearly all major fuels is staggering, especially for coal, oil and gas. Only renewables are holding up during the previously unheard of slump in electricity use.”
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Renewable energy is expected to grow by 5% this year, to make up almost 30% of the world’s shrinking demand for electricity. The growth of renewables despite a global crisis could spur fossil fuel companies towards their goals to generate more clean energy, according to Birol, but governments should also include clean energy at the heart of economic stimulus packages to ensure a green recovery.

“It is still too early to determine the longer-term impacts,” said Birol. “But the energy industry that emerges from this crisis will be significantly different from the one that came before.”

The impact of the coronavirus has triggered a crisis for fossil fuel commodities, including the collapse of oil market prices, which turned negative for the first time in the US earlier this month.

Global efforts to curb the spread of Covid-19 have led to severe restrictions on travel and the global economy that will cause the biggest drop in global oil demand in 25 years.

Demand for gas is expected to fall by 5%, after a decade of uninterrupted growth. It is the steepest drop since gas became widely used as an energy source in the second half of the previous century.

Coal demand is forecast to fall by 8% compared with 2019, its largest decline since the end of the second world war.

The Paris-based energy authority used data from every country and across each energy sector to analyse the impact of the pandemic on the global system.

It found that global energy demand was likely to plummet by 6% this year, the equivalent of losing the entire energy demand of India – the world’s third largest energy consumer – or the combined energy demand of France, Germany, Italy and the UK.

The impact of the pandemic on energy use will be more keenly felt in advanced economies where demand is expected to fall by 11% across the EU and 9% across the US.
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The collapse of fossil fuel demand could lead global emissions to fall by 8% compared with 2019, a drop six times larger than the record fall after the financial crisis in 2009 to lows not seen in the past decade.

The 3bn tonne drop in carbon dioxide emissions surpasses data commissioned by the Guardian this month that predicted a fall or 2.5 bn tonnes this year, greater than the drop triggered by every financial crash since the second world war combined.

[Hamloc]

Here is the central message in the film:

"Gibbs suggests that unfettered capitalism and its insanity of eternal growth on a finite planet is also what is leading us to the cliff edge"

I am so glad you agree!

happy Seeding!

I have to admit I haven't had time to watch the film but I have read numerous articles about it. My thought is that the film makers believe that environmentalists have tried to sell us on the belief that we can maintain our present lifestyle without giving up anything as long as we switch to renewables. This film points out that you can't have renewables without fossil fuels which seems to have p#**ed all the believers off. But you are correct they concluded that our desire for continual growth will be our undoing. For me it is funny to watch all the enviro nuts heads explode!

[chuckChuck]

One film, one director dose not tell the whole story. The only people getting more excited than those who find fault with the film are those who think it destroys the case for all renewable cleaner energy sources now and forever which is a falsehood. Think hydro, think geothermal, think hydrogen and whatever else comes along as viable.

And resource depletion is a serious ongoing issue that needs to be addressed. Where will cheap and easily mined phosphorous supplies come from in 100 -200 years for example? And that is just one issue.

[jazz]

This is a great thread to have open all the time. Everytime something ridiculous comes from the green movement or climate change farce, we can cue up the Wheres Chuck? thread.

So that will be like every day.

[Hamloc]

One film, one director dose not tell the whole story. The only people getting more excited than those who find fault with the film are those who think it destroys the case for all renewable cleaner energy sources now and forever which is a falsehood. Think hydro, think geothermal, think hydrogen and whatever else comes along as viable.

And resource depletion is a serious ongoing issue that needs to be addressed. Where will cheap and easily mined phosphorous supplies come from in 100 -200 years for example? And that is just one issue.

First off the green movement doesn't consider hydro renewable, nor are they interested in anything but solar, wind and battery storage. Phosphorus is certainly a concern long term but what does it have to do with this thread?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, you fail to understand how the burden of proof works. I can show you dozens of examples of renewables causing much higher costs. And that won't prove beyond a doubt that there isn't any example where they are more cost effective, it only takes one counter example to prove my claim wrong.

You might as well be claiming that the Easter Bunny is real, then asking me to prove he is not, I could look in millions of places and not find him, but that doesn't prove any thing, you only need to find one egg laying rabbit to prove your claim.

[fjlip]

Chuck, you fail to understand how the burden of proof works. I can show you dozens of examples of renewables causing much higher costs. And that won't prove beyond a doubt that there isn't any example where they are more cost effective, it only takes one counter example to prove my claim wrong.

You might as well be claiming that the Easter Bunny is real, then asking me to prove he is not, I could look in millions of places and not find him, but that doesn't prove any thing, you only need to find one egg laying rabbit to prove your claim.

You hit it right on! Easter Bunny= Climate Belief!

Oh phosphorus comment is...LOOK a squirrel, left typical distraction.