Quarantine the vulnerable.

[dmlfarmer]

I must not have been clear with my question for Bowerpower and others who agree with his solution to Covid is quarantining the vulnerable as to how care is provided to these vulnerable people. So let me ask you this. If you wife is a nurse and works in a hospital or seniors lodge caring for people vulnerable to Covid-19, then does she have to in quarantine too as long as she has that job? How does she prevent getting Covid and taking it in to a facility if she is not isolated from everyone including yourself if all that is needed to be done is quarantine the vulnerable?

[dmlfarmer]

And then send who to mind the ranches.....Cargill and JBS??????

The problem here has been identified. ....government handouts to large companies like Cargill and JBS to build larger facilities and pUT the smaller ones out of business...

Then one guy catches a cough and everyone else has a flu....brilliant.....and the bureaucrats that promote this are long retired .....right Yerry????...

FCC has a policy to promote larger farms .....everyone has had a look into the future with what is happening now. ...larger ...bigger ....better.....at what cost?

Believe it or not, I agree with you that consolidation has caused a lot of the problems we are seeing, but it is not all the fault of government. There has to be a willingness to grow, and not just policy and money from government. So blame has to go to corporate management too. And blame has to also go to the general public demanding cheaper goods, no matter how they are produced or where or how which leads to crowded workplaces where social distancing is impossible.

The fact is, people do not want to work in meat packing plants. If we can not find family members of ranchers willing to work in a meat plant instead of taking up another occupation if they decide not to stay on the ranch for what ever reason, why do you think the general public should take up the call?

I am sure there are plenty of people unemployed right now because of Covid who are a generation or two removed from the ranch. Surely these people should be the ones to count on in your solution of SIMPLY hiring more? And what about all the ranchers sons and daughters who should be in school now, but are at home because of Covid. Given your solution of hiring out of work Canadians to man the line, what about using these students to fill the workspace. There, you still have the same people at home on the ranch and filling the workforce at the plant at the same time.

[farmaholic]

"This isn't going away".

Two terms:

1; effective vaccine

2; herd immunity

Until either 1 & 2 are achieved or hopefully both....

Casualties there will be.... past, present and future.

And as usual, in most cases the most vulnerable.

When something new comes along is it wise to do nothing and take no precautions?
As time passes it will become clearer how this virus will affect the population.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda..... it will all come clear. Time reveals all.

How far are we into this? How much further do we have to go?

What's our goal? How do we get there?

[sumdumguy]

We’ve delayed the inevitable in my infinite wisdom. We need to test for antibodies to get things going. Seems like our clueless leaders either want this to continue and are hiding something they can’t tell us or the tests that are out there aren’t reliable. Seems stupid not to just figure who’s got it and who’s over it. Tired of this stupid conversation already. We need real leaders with brains and balls not political games and scare tactics.

The problem is that leaders are taking their marching orders from lemmings.

[dmlfarmer]

"This isn't going away".

Two terms:

1; effective vaccine

2; herd immunity

Until either 1 & 2 are achieved or hopefully both....

Casualties there will be.... past, present and future.

And as usual, in most cases the most vulnerable.

When something new comes along is it wise to do nothing and take no precautions?
As time passes it will become clearer how this virus will affect the population.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda..... it will all come clear. Time reveals all.

How far are we into this? How much further do we have to go?

What's our goal? How do we get there?

You are exactly right Farmaholic! We don't even know how wide spread Covid is because of a lack or testing and questions even of the validity of the tests we have. Your questions are great and are being asked by the science community around the world. Unfortunately, these questions are being drowned out by politics and society.

The best we can currently do is to open society just enough to not overwhelm health care but enough so herd immunity continues to build. And without accurate tests, we are flying blind in determining how we are doing in finding this balance.

[helmsdale]

I must not have been clear with my question for Bowerpower and others who agree with his solution to Covid is quarantining the vulnerable as to how care is provided to these vulnerable people. So let me ask you this. If you wife is a nurse and works in a hospital or seniors lodge caring for people vulnerable to Covid-19, then does she have to in quarantine too as long as she has that job? How does she prevent getting Covid and taking it in to a facility if she is not isolated from everyone including yourself if all that is needed to be done is quarantine the vulnerable?

Been thinking about this for a few days...

What entices people to work for a month away from their family in remote resource extraction industries or offshore oil drilling platforms? $$$...

Could we entice trained nurses to essentially quarantine in a monitored setting prior to starting a shift in assisted living facilities with enough money? Then work for two weeks, then out and about with your family for two weeks? 3 shifts of people would cover it with a few on backup in the event someone becomes sick in quarantine?

Once testing is easier and quicker, possibly reduce to a couple day quarantine with testing prior to starting work?

[fjlip]

Literally thousands are working NOW, many more can do their work similarly. At folks lodge, level 4 care and hospital, staff take temp at start of shift and half way through. Masks when at work. It's NOT only immune people working and these are the numbers. We are NOT children, if you eat you are ALL risking expose outside of the family, act properly.
IMO this will never go away, vaccine who knows, no "WHO" does not know. Sars has NO vaccine yet. HIV none. Regular seasonal flu still kills. THE COLD is a "corona" virus, NO vaccine.

[dmlfarmer]

Been thinking about this for a few days...

What entices people to work for a month away from their family in remote resource extraction industries or offshore oil drilling platforms? $$$...

Could we entice trained nurses to essentially quarantine in a monitored setting prior to starting a shift in assisted living facilities with enough money? Then work for two weeks, then out and about with your family for two weeks? 3 shifts of people would cover it with a few on backup in the event someone becomes sick in quarantine?

Once testing is easier and quicker, possibly reduce to a couple day quarantine with testing prior to starting work?

Care at a hospital is 24 hours a day. Same at nursing homes. So if you had nurses working 12 hour shifts you need 2 full shifts providing care for 14 days straight. (not sure of quality of care given at the end of a stressful 14 days of 12 hour shifts) Granted you get 2 weeks off (which would require another 2 full shifts during your time off) but during those two weeks, if there is no quarantine outside the workplace, you risk being infected on any of those 14 days, which then without testing every one, would require another 14 days in quarantine to make sure you did not pick it up while with family and out in public. which would also require another 2 full shifts to cover. So instead of the 3 shifts of people, you actually need 6, working hours that are illegal in all health contracts that I know of, and the nurse ends up working 2 weeks, home for 2 weeks, and then isolation away from everyone for 2 weeks. Not sure how many nurses you could entice with this scenario no matter how much you paid them. Certainly none with families. And people complain about health care costs now. The bill for this would be mind-blowing.

[dmlfarmer]

Literally thousands are working NOW, many more can do their work similarly. At folks lodge, level 4 care and hospital, staff take temp at start of shift and half way through. Masks when at work. It's NOT only immune people working and these are the numbers. We are NOT children, if you eat you are ALL risking expose outside of the family, act properly.
IMO this will never go away, vaccine who knows, no "WHO" does not know. Sars has NO vaccine yet. HIV none. Regular seasonal flu still kills. THE COLD is a "corona" virus, NO vaccine.

But now we have social distancing which is minimizing the risk. The discussion is how to manage care if there were no social distancing requirements in the general population. What is working now may not necessarily work without controls. That is the discussion.

[fjlip]

"The bill for this would be mind-blowing."

The current bills racked up will explode our minds for years!

[farmaholic]

Literally thousands are working NOW, many more can do their work similarly. At folks lodge, level 4 care and hospital, staff take temp at start of shift and half way through. Masks when at work. It's NOT only immune people working and these are the numbers. We are NOT children, if you eat you are ALL risking expose outside of the family, act properly.
IMO this will never go away, vaccine who knows, no "WHO" does not know. Sars has NO vaccine yet. HIV none. Regular seasonal flu still kills. THE COLD is a "corona" virus, NO vaccine.

You make a good point Fj.....I too think there may not be a "Silver Bullet" vaccine developed but anything to reduce the amount and severity of symptoms will be welcome to mitigate some of the risk of contracting Covid-19.

[farming101]

If I can make a comment without sounding like a wingnut;

In jurisdictions with low levels of virus discovery there has to be a relaxation of restrictions so as to put a manageable level of stress(sickness) on the population. There is no vaccine.
Will herd immunity work for Covid-19? Have to find out.
Also, to let everyone become aware of what it is going to take to keep healthy and still get work done. It can be done.
Once the extent of the virus spread is evident and you know where to look for it, how to contain it and have the means to care for those who fall ill, it is time to relax restrictions.
People will get sick, zero cases is not being realistic.