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$252.1 Billion Deficit for Canada. Yep Skippy is one Smart Guy!

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    #11
    https://www.coastreporter.net/coronavirus-relief-pushing-us-deficits-to-staggering-heights-1.24123848 https://www.coastreporter.net/coronavirus-relief-pushing-us-deficits-to-staggering-heights-1.24123848

    Coronavirus relief pushing US deficits to staggering heights
    Andrew Taylor / The Associated Press

    April 24, 2020 10:38 AM

    WASHINGTON — Spend what it takes, Washington said as it confronted the coronavirus. Well over $2 trillion later, it’s unclear where that spending will end.

    One of the lasting legacies of the coronavirus pandemic will be staggering debts and deficits on the U.S. balance sheet, with shortfalls hitting levels that would have been unthinkable just a few decades ago.

    It’s a fiscal stranglehold that is likely to persist for a generation, with debt levels having passed the point of easy return in a capital where lawmakers are increasingly incapable, or unwilling, to constrain them.

    The latest, and dire, projection from the Congressional Budget Office, released Friday, states the U.S. deficits will mushroom to $3.7 trillion in 2020, fueled by the four coronavirus relief bills signed into law by President Donald Trump. A fifth bill is already in the works, and will be "expensive," according to House

    The deficit for 2021 is estimated to tally $2.1 trillion, double previous CBO estimates.

    The report predicts a devastating hit to the economy this quarter at an annualized rate of decline of 40% — probably the sharpest economic shock ever — accompanied by a 15% unemployment rate this spring and summer. For the entire year, the economy is predicted to shrink by 5.6%.

    CBO Director Phillip Swagel cautioned that there is "enormous uncertainty" to the projections, given the unprecedented nature of the crisis, but it's plain the economic shock is unlike anything seen since the Great Depression.

    "Challenges in the economy and the labour market are expected to persist for some time," Swagel wrote in a blog post. He said the economy is likely to begin rebounding in the third quarter, but the jobless rate will remain about 10% by the end of 2021.

    On the government front, coronavirus-related figures point to red ink unparalleled since World War II. Economists generally say the most significant measure of debt and deficits is to compare it against the size of the economy, and by that measure the debt is soon to rival the record. CBO says publicly held debt will reach 101% of gross domestic product by the end of this year, just below the post-war high.

    The deficit was entrenched long before the virus, with federal revenues shrinking to well below historic averages and the spending side of the ledger rising thanks to record Pentagon expenditures and the addition of baby boomers to Medicare and Social Security.

    Even Washington’s few remaining spending hawks say red ink should not be a focus for now as the government faces unemployment levels not seen since the Great Depression and shutdown orders lasting well into next month or beyond.

    "Right now, I think the wise move for Congress is to keep the economy afloat regardless of what it costs," said Brian Riedl, an economic and budgetary policy analyst at the free market Manhattan Institute think-tank . "That being said, the budgetary cost is enormous, cannot be ignored, and makes it even more important that lawmakers begin thinking about how to fix the federal budget after this is over."

    But when policymakers inevitably are forced to take on deficits, virtually none of them will have any experience in doing so. The era of successful action ended long ago, with a hard-won 1997 law that capped a decade’s worth of politically costly but ultimately effective reduction measures.

    In the interim, a divisive brand of politics has taken hold. No one has even seriously tried tackling the debt since a failed effort by former GOP Speaker John Boehner of Ohio and President Barack Obama almost a decade ago.

    Republicans are beginning to warn of the coronavirus costs now — GOP Sen. Ben Sasse on Friday called Washington's spending habit "suicidal" — but the party passed deficit-adding tax cuts when controlling all of government in 2001 and 2017. Those twin tax bills mean that a steadily more liberal Democratic Party won’t endorse the kinds of deficit-cutting steps they endorsed in the 1990s.

    There’s also no agreement on what levels of debt and deficits are sustainable, and the number of deficit doves has swelled over the past decade. Those skeptical of the fiscal warnings note that the government has run large deficits for well over a decade without the predicted increase in interest rates, economic stagnation or a European-style fiscal crisis.

    "There's zero reason to be concerned about the short-term macroeconomic impact of the deficit," said Harvard University economist Jason Furman, a former economic policy adviser to Obama. "Interest rates are very low. The Fed has a lot of tools to ensure that they stay very low, and the bigger short-run macroeconomic concern is an insufficient response."

    The CBO has long said that lawmakers eventually will be forced to tackle the government’s chronic financial woes, if for no other reason than the looming insolvency of Social Security and Medicare. When Social Security runs out of reserves in the next decade, the system will be able to pay only 79% of benefits.

    The problem is landing in the lap of whoever is elected in November in a race that's been transformed by the crisis.

    The presumptive Democratic nominee, former Vice-President Joe Biden, supported numerous deficit-reduction bills over his long career but has moved significantly to the left in hopes of uniting party progressives behind him.

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      #12
      You are looking at a 55c dollar and downgrade of our credit rating. Skippy will be putting in taxes on CG estate inheritance and probably a rise in corp tax rates. Everybody better start talking with their accountant. I have converted a lot of my liquid holdings to USD. People are taking about moving those assets right out of the country now.

      Yesterday John Manley former minister of finance said it will take Canada 10yrs to recover which basically saying never.

      Teresa tam should be fired.

      US has the reserve currency chuck. It's not the same thing as Canada who has weak economy. Our GDP is same as Texas and half of California's with the same population.

      We are an unproductive nation riding the US coat tails.
      Last edited by jazz; May 1, 2020, 07:02.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
        A $250 billion deficit and a 12% haircut to GDP, it is difficult to really understand all the implications of this. The next question is how many years will we have this large a deficit? What does it say about how modern society is structured that less than 2 months of a shutdown brings down the whole thing? How many more billions will the province's add? In Alberta they are talking about a $20 billion plus deficit for this year, what industries will be left afterwards? I think I am fortunate to live where I do and that I have the ability to harvest my own food, at least I will not starve.
        2 months ....it wasn't 2 weeks and they started taking about handouts...for businesses and employees...

        Capitalists ...you know the guys that own shares in companies....they have to be made whole....they can't be on the hook for their investment losses...

        And not one government is smart enough to support an industry that can't move and drives an incredible amount of jobs...

        Ag more than ever said 1 in 8 jobs are ag related.....I would put money that ratio has changed considerably in the last while....

        Agriculture will be the kickstarter....and it will be consolidating instead of bringing new entrants in...this is the perfect time for a flush of new farmers to get a start....instead they help the consolidation process by doing SFA...

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          #14
          Yea Chuck lets Look over here at the USA while we give Skippy a pass. Do you work for the CBC G--- come on its a shit show already?

          This is about Canada and what skippy has done.

          Yes, the number one currency in the world compared to our bargain Mexico peso. Yea good job.

          Skippy and company run Canada. Ok, I just threw up in my mouth. Nope, the puppet has his strings pulled and it's not to make Canada Great.

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            #15
            Originally posted by SASKFARMER View Post
            No, we won't starve on our farm but this has me worried. They will come after the Elderly in Death Tax. Homeowners in Tax and Capital gains.
            Some homeowners should be taxed...it was a fake market driven by outside investment that made some homes unaffordable ...and don't forget the government was kicking in subsidies to help people buy homes....of course the government should get their money back plus some ROI to the taxpayers...

            And the banks have been unloading their bad money losing debt to the government through all this...

            When you heard Morneau say ...to help canadians get credit.....that was code for the banks download of bad debt...he protected the banks who haven't paid taxes on their profits in years...

            Now they unloaded their bad debts as a losses ....voila no tax for them now....

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              #16
              Covid Statistics

              One-third of the world’s cases have been in the United States.

              USA 1.1 million cases - Deaths 63,746

              Canada Covid cases 53,236 cases - Deaths 3,184

              Relative to population Canada is doing a much better job than the USA on containing the Covid virus.

              The US has roughly 20 times the cases and deaths with a population that is only 10 times bigger.

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                #17
                BLAH BLAH Blah Chuck this is about Canada not the USA. Skippy is in charge.

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                  #18
                  If your concern is out of control spending then Trudeau has lots of company in Trump and many other world leading countries.

                  Other than the fact that farmers haven't received much, what was the alternative? Let everyone who lost their income starve?

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                    #19
                    Chuck I am going to say it.

                    What the **** is wrong with you.


                    Trudeau is head in Canada. He is pissing away Billions that we will have to pay back.

                    Why the fascination with the USA that you hate.

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                      #20
                      SF3 I know you don't want to discuss your hero Trump and all the deficit spending in the USA to prop up their economy. But comparing Canada with the US gives some perspective on what is happening here.

                      Similar relative amounts of deficit spending and a the USA has done a poorer job at slowing the virus.

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