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    #76
    Most of you guys are barking up the wrong tree. Some of you need to take off your hyper partisan glasses.

    Trudeau and the Liberals have a 10 point lead in the polls and are back in majority territory.

    See the thing is it is really difficult to argue that running a big deficit to keep people from living on the streets with no food is a bad thing to do in the middle of the worst financial crisis in nearly a 100 years.

    Even the federal Conservatives and Provincial Conservatives aren't about to call for a smaller deficit because they would do the same thing, just like Trump by bailing out those who need it most.

    Kenney is even asking for more federal support, so Federal deficits are not his worry.

    If the Conservatives run on cutting the ballooning deficit before the economy returns to a stronger state then the Liberals could have a 20 point lead in the polls.

    https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-confidence-in-the-liberals-runs-high-but-for-how-long/ https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-confidence-in-the-liberals-runs-high-but-for-how-long/

    "Moreover, the federal government’s response to the outbreak has widely been well received by Canadians—at least so far. From EKOS’ poll report: “Confidence in the federal government is at 75 per cent, the highest score EKOS has ever recorded.” Justin Trudeau also receives a generally positive approval of his handling of the crisis: 67 per cent of respondents approve of the Prime Minister (an equal fraction of respondents approve of Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland)."

    It seems as if a lot of the grousing on Agriville is about why farmers haven't gotten their fair share of bailouts. That hardly suggests deficit cutting is a priority.

    Most farm safety nets are inadequate. But many farmers have made a lot of money in the last 10 years and don't need a bailout. But if you want a bailout and then want a smaller deficit you are sending two different messages at the same time.

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      #77
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Most of you guys are barking up the wrong tree. Some of you need to take off your hyper partisan glasses.

      Trudeau and the Liberals have a 10 point lead in the polls and are back in majority territory.

      See the thing is it is really difficult to argue that running a big deficit to keep people from living on the streets with no food is a bad thing to do in the middle of the worst financial crisis in nearly a 100 years.

      Even the federal Conservatives and Provincial Conservatives aren't about to call for a smaller deficit because they would do the same thing, just like Trump by bailing out those who need it most.

      Kenney is even asking for more federal support, so Federal deficits are not his worry.

      If the Conservatives run on cutting the ballooning deficit before the economy returns to a stronger state then the Liberals could have a 20 point lead in the polls.

      https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-confidence-in-the-liberals-runs-high-but-for-how-long/ https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-confidence-in-the-liberals-runs-high-but-for-how-long/

      "Moreover, the federal government’s response to the outbreak has widely been well received by Canadians—at least so far. From EKOS’ poll report: “Confidence in the federal government is at 75 per cent, the highest score EKOS has ever recorded.” Justin Trudeau also receives a generally positive approval of his handling of the crisis: 67 per cent of respondents approve of the Prime Minister (an equal fraction of respondents approve of Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland)."

      It seems as if a lot of the grousing on Agriville is about why farmers haven't gotten their fair share of bailouts. That hardly suggests deficit cutting is a priority.

      Most farm safety nets are inadequate. But many farmers have made a lot of money in the last 10 years and don't need a bailout. But if you want a bailout and then want a smaller deficit you are sending two different messages at the same time.
      The liberals ***ed up everything with this Covid 19. They can own it. Did the liberals pay off the polls like the media?

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        #78
        ......another $300/child bribe was announced yesterday. Pretty easy to appeal to people who aren't worried about who is going to pay for all this "free" stuff.

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          #79
          https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-while-the-conservatives-bicker-the-liberals-open-their-lead/ https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-while-the-conservatives-bicker-the-liberals-open-their-lead/

          "To wit, back in January I wrote an analysis of a Léger poll showing the risk facing the CPC should it choose to pander to its social conservative base. Numbers regarding abortion, same-sex marriage and religious values, to name a few, all pointed towards the same conclusion: to grow its base of voters, the Conservative Party would be far better positioned with a moderate, centre-right, leader.

          Yet, in recent weeks, it appears the Conservatives have been going after the 1.6 per cent of voters who sided with Maxime Bernier’s PPC last fall instead of trying to appeal to the centre of the political spectrum—where most accessible voters can be found.

          In other words, the CPC may be on the path of doubling down rather than adjusting.

          The point is not that this strategy cannot work—we do not know that—but it sure appears much riskier for the CPC to leave this much space to the Liberals near the centre."

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            #80
            This virus is a liberal/socialist's dream come true, handing out money to people, knowing full well the liberals will be emotionally remembered in a positive way at the voting booth.

            Farmaholic is right, I bet it would surprise us the number of people who think government money just magically appears.
            Last edited by rumrocks; May 4, 2020, 08:24.

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              #81
              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
              https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-while-the-conservatives-bicker-the-liberals-open-their-lead/ https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-while-the-conservatives-bicker-the-liberals-open-their-lead/

              "To wit, back in January I wrote an analysis of a Léger poll showing the risk facing the CPC should it choose to pander to its social conservative base. Numbers regarding abortion, same-sex marriage and religious values, to name a few, all pointed towards the same conclusion: to grow its base of voters, the Conservative Party would be far better positioned with a moderate, centre-right, leader.

              Yet, in recent weeks, it appears the Conservatives have been going after the 1.6 per cent of voters who sided with Maxime Bernier’s PPC last fall instead of trying to appeal to the centre of the political spectrum—where most accessible voters can be found.

              In other words, the CPC may be on the path of doubling down rather than adjusting.

              The point is not that this strategy cannot work—we do not know that—but it sure appears much riskier for the CPC to leave this much space to the Liberals near the centre."
              I do find it amusing that a person who is obviously not a conservative supporter is telling conservatives how to craft a successful strategy. What is surprising is I think you are correct. Those voters who would vote for Bernier would never vote for Justin Trudeau's left of center Liberal's. Justin Trudeau made the decision that there was more room to grow to the left by drafting policies that would be supported by voters who traditionally voted NDP. There is certainly room for the conservatives to grow closer to the center, a center that the Liberal's appear to have abandoned. The Liberal's appear to believe the government should be involved in everything, it is in my opinion not going to end well for the Canadian tax payer.

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                #82
                Covid 19 has changed the political landscape. Many Conservative voters may not like Trudeau but they also want bailouts until there is some sort of normal again. That goes for all the Premiers.

                You can tweak the spending this way and that, but almost nobody is in favour of not running a large deficit to get through this.

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                  #83
                  Political support among voters for spending cuts and balanced budgets will be negligible for the foreseeable future. The only thing that will change that is when businesses and governments start hitting unsurmountable debts walls, somewhat like New Zealand faced in the early 80s.

                  Voters tend to like a banquet of seed corn. They see little or no consequence in depleting the seed bins of the economy.

                  They almost universally like zero percent interest, because they can refinance the mortgage at a fraction of the previous rate. Most don't consider, on the other hand, the consequences of their pension fund going broke because fixed income investments don't do very well at zero percent return.

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                    #84
                    Ah chuck full of shit as usual.

                    I said Trudeau pissed away 5 billion on foreign students in canada and farmers get a ****ing loan and like CBC you twisted that in your little mind to mean conservatives want subsidies for farms.

                    Wow maybe it’s trumps fault.

                    Trudeau is a **** yo if you can’t see that no wonder you wanted the CWB.

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                      #85
                      Today $850M was given away to bill gates vaccine research and developing nations. Farmers still a big fat zero.

                      Protect your assets folks, this s just the first stage. We get nothing and then we will have to pay for it.

                      He is going to stall parliment for another month, that finishes the spring session, then he will be back in the fall to call a snap saying he needs a mandate to steer canada through troubled waters or whatever, but it will be all about ramming through draconian tax measures on the portion of the electorate that will never vote for him.

                      Kenny is like a deer in the headlights, nothing coming from that direction but more talk big and take it.

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                        #86
                        Between the C02 Tax, the GUNS, if they try destroy us with inheritance/gift/capital gains/corporate taxes, the SHIT hits the fan and revolt of the west BETTER happen!

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                          #87
                          Ever wonder if they could go two party system only. Might be beneficial.

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                            #88
                            Just to remind us all.... https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/ https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/

                            1968 Hong Kong flu, 100,000 Americans, 1,000,000 on earth died, NO distancing, no economy shut down.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by fjlip View Post
                              Between the C02 Tax, the GUNS, if they try destroy us with inheritance/gift/capital gains/corporate taxes, the SHIT hits the fan and revolt of the west BETTER happen!
                              Wouldn't count on that. Right now, your accountant is your best bet.

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