Canola and planters

[tweety]

Let me know when you do side by sides and plant counts for the next four years ... then you can add to the conversation with more legit posts 👍
Yup there is do kinds of people for sure , those that do and those that think they know without doing . It is what it is .

Well ok then, seems all the answers have been determined.

[furrowtickler]

Well ok then, seems all the answers have been determined.

Nope , just sharing what we seen and the questions others have asked .
Always more to learn with anything . Have a good one 👍

[tweety]

I think Tweety is a nice boy, but he shits to close to the house. Not sure he understands the meaning of mortality.

I suppose i deserve the comments. Let er fly!

Can you explain to me what mortality means.

[farmaholic]

"80% establishment" would have been clearer.

I was kinda confused about 80% mortality but those do sound like Ghetto numbers.

[tweety]

"80% establishment" would have been clearer.

I was kinda confused about 80% mortality but those do sound like Ghetto numbers.

Well yes, that would have been more clear, long days seeding and harvesting.

Has there been any recent peer reviewed trials since Craig Shaw did that one with AgCanada?

[Misterjade9]

Mortality means how many seeds will die, with my old worn out C shank drill my agrologists uses 25 percent mortality rate when we figure out seeding rates, but I know that is high and that I get better than 75 percent survival. But if I could get 95 percent with a planter and sow 3lbs per acre less seed the savings are large.

[furrowtickler]

Mortality means how many seeds will die, with my old worn out C shank drill my agrologists uses 25 percent mortality rate when we figure out seeding rates, but I know that is high and that I get better than 75 percent survival. But if I could get 95 percent with a planter and sow 3lbs per acre less seed the savings are large.

That was a huge part of our decision as well
The ole c shank bourgault 8910 was not the best but still works in a pinch . Still great for cereals though 👍

[Misterjade9]

Yea I would like to turn my old 5710 into a banding unit and get all my fert down in the fall, now with a better second tractor I don't have to use my main one on the grain cart, now just need an extra body in the fall to put fert on. The old drill has close to 85000 ACS on it, still does a good job on n cereals but I would like to be better on canola.

[tweety]

Yes but there are drills that have excellent plant counts at 3 lbs as well. Question is, given the same plant stand does a planter yield higher then a modern drill (old bourgs need not apply) and has this been done properly and recently?

How much yield difference, if any, is directly attributable to using a planter. Lots of wild claims with planters.

[furrowtickler]

Yes but there are drills that have excellent plant counts at 3 lbs as well. Question is, given the same plant stand does a planter yield higher then a modern drill (old bourgs need not apply) and has this been done properly and recently?

How much yield difference, if any, is directly attributable to using a planter. Lots of wild claims with planters.

No wild claim at all from us , ever .
Not much yield difference from any side by side we have done , and we have never claimed one.
Have always stated that other modern drills are excellent as well .
But also seen some of the best establishments from my neighbours old 8800 with poly packers .... he takes his time and does a great job .
The vast majority of the time it’s the operator, not the drill that does a good job.
I have seen poor results from the best most expensive drills , and planters on the market .... it’s operator error ...

For us....
two seeding units get more seed in the ground in a shorter time frame .
Planter is way better at establishing canola than our current drill .
Planters are far better at individual seed spacing which is critical for corn and some bean crops .
Planters have zero wheel tracks in wet conditions
For us to go to one bigger drill required a different tractor as well ..... making that cost almost tripple the planter alone .
The planter allows us to seed , soybeans Blackbeans, corn , canola , peas and possibly other crops very effectively and quick .. no drill on the market can do that .
No wild claims ever , just has a fit for some , not for all.
Was never sure why you have had such a piss rant about planters from day one . I have never made any claims you have stated , ever .
Good to be critical, that’s all good but most times your arguments are simply just to be argumentative.. like others here . Then get all up in arms when they get called out on things ... it is strange .
Have a good one .
Waiting out some showers here , before getting back to work