Breaking the law: How the state weaponizes an unjust criminal justice system

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, can you kindly correct us and provide us with the actual statistic then? I have been under the impression that the 70% stat came from the MMIW report as well.

[chuckChuck]

There is no doubt that some or a lot of the missing and murdered women and children happened at the hands of indigenous people. The RCMP provided numbers that were based on a small sample study. So what the actual number is is a question that can't be easily answered.

Regardless of who committed the crimes or what happened there was a lot of indifference and in some cases botched investigations and cases where nothing was done. Many families testified that the police and justice system failed them. Just like in Thunder Bay indigenous kids would show up dead and the police did little to investigate because it was just another indigenous kid. In short many believe indigenous kids don't matter or it was their own fault. That is systemic racism.

If you are indigenous, the rates of violence and homicide are much higher than the general population. Allowing all the things that affect indigenous people to happen without concern, or a shared responsibility for our history of abuse and racism is what is at the core of the issue.

"This genocide has been empowered by colonial structures,evidenced notably by the Indian Act, the Sixities Scoop, residential schools, and breaches of human and Inuit, Metis and First Nations rights, leading directly to the current increased rates of violence, death and suicide in Indigenous populations".

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is no doubt that some or a lot of the missing and murdered women and children happened at the hands of indigenous people. The RCMP provided numbers that were based on a small sample study. So what the actual number is is a question that can't be easily answered.

So, $92 million of taxpayer money, and years of studying, and no one thought to check who the perpetrators were? And just how does this report help to solve the very real problem, if it doesn't even attempt to identify the cause?

How is it that we can discount the RCMP report of 70%, without providing any contrary evidence, and a more accurate number? If I was cynical, I would almost think that if it were less than the 70%, the numbers would have been released by someone by now to prove their point.

[chuckChuck]

Policing is the job of the police. They were the ones who didn't investigate thoroughly enough and in some cases didn't bother investigating at all. The 70% estimate is based on a small sample of RCMP cases and cant be used as fact for the rest.

The Commissioner finally acknowledged systemic racism exists in the RCMP. Now you need to accept it and move on. Racism is a reality in this country. Give up trying to deny it exists or is not a serious problem.

Have a great Fathers day!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The 70% estimate is based on a small sample of RCMP cases and cant be used as fact for the rest.

I see. But a Small sample of tree rings from one tree, from a cherry picked timeframe is adequate as a proxy for the climate of the entire world for thousands of years. I think I follow your argument. So sample size is relative to the outcome required.

Don't you think that if it was much less than 70% that It would be all over the media?

A similar dearth of data exists for FASD among FN. Anecdotally, almost all of the FN foster children I went to school with were somewhere on the fetal alcohol spectrum(talk about denying someone opportunities) yet try to find stats on this horrible self inflicted scourge, and how it devastates generation after generation. Apparently that subject is taboo as well.

[flea beetle]

Policing is the job of the police. They were the ones who didn't investigate thoroughly enough and in some cases didn't bother investigating at all. The 70% estimate is based on a small sample of RCMP cases and cant be used as fact for the rest.

The Commissioner finally acknowledged systemic racism exists in the RCMP. Now you need to accept it and move on. Racism is a reality in this country. Give up trying to deny it exists or is not a serious problem.

Have a great Fathers day!

So when the police don’t investigate a crime towards FN it is racism, but when they don’t investigate a crime towards a white it is...?

Still waiting for you to address those prior points chucky. In your own words please.

[bobofthenorth]

Apparently that subject is taboo as well.

Once you accept that its all Whitey's fault everything is easier to understand. Literally ... everything.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Once you accept that its all Whitey's fault everything is easier to understand. Literally ... everything.

That also liberates us from needing to concern ourselves with Petty details like solutions, root causes, accountability, and the effectiveness of programs or policies. Keeping the current broken system ad infinitum.

[farmaholic]

Don't you think that if it was much less than 70% that It would be all over the media?

A similar dearth of data exists for FASD among FN. Anecdotally, almost all of the FN foster children I went to school with were somewhere on the fetal alcohol spectrum(talk about denying someone opportunities) yet try to find stats on this horrible self inflicted scourge, and how it devastates generation after generation. Apparently that subject is taboo as well.

Blaming the past doesn't correct the future by itself!

There is way too much left unsaid on this file, seems like only one side is talking and alot of inconvenient truths get left unsaid.

I doubt anyone denies there's a problem and some of the initial causes of the problems, seems the solutions lack consensus.

[fjlip]

Most of the causes can be seen if "they" look in the mirror. The solutions for all the "girls", DON"T be hookers, drunks and doing drugs! Get an education, beat the men OFF! IMO...

[Oliver88]

Chuck, can you kindly correct us and provide us with the actual statistic then? I have been under the impression that the 70% stat came from the MMIW report as well.

There was a lot of research done by the RCMP over several decades. 70% actually sounds low it could of been 70% of the time it was someone known to victim. Majority of the time the criminal was high or drunk.

Of course the multicultural and political correct RCMP reports are racist and can’t be used for reliable data.

[flea beetle]

Have to call you "Runaway chuck"