USA situation virus?

[dmlfarmer]

Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

According to Reuters, the University of Barcelona revealed Friday that scientists discovered parts of the COVID-19 genome in wastewater samples collected in Barcelona in March 2019.
After the COVID-19 outbreak reached Europe, scientists at the university began conducting research on wastewater to possibly identify new outbreaks. They also decided to test old water samples, those collected between January 2018 and December 2019. Only a sample from March 2019 tested positive for COVID-19.

"The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive," research leader Albert Bosch said, Reuters reported.
In an interview with the New York Times, Bosch explained, "Barcelona is a city that is frequented by Chinese people, in tourism and business, so probably this happened also elsewhere, and probably at the same time."

Regarding the virus being found in a single sample from March 2019, Bosch said that it makes sense because "respiratory viruses usually have peaks around this time of the year."
Dr. Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters the research is "definitely interesting, it's suggestive."
Italian scientists have also said they found COVID-19 genetic material present in sewage months before the virus turned northern Italy into the global COVID-19 hotspot.
China claims they only became aware of the virus in late December 2019.

Interesting, but now the question will be did it actually begin in China, or in Europe based on it being was found in Barcelona back in March 2019. Could be a Chinese tourist picked up the virus in Barcelona and took it back to Wuhan instead of the other way around and a Chinese tourist took it to Barcelona.

[macdon02]

Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

According to Reuters, the University of Barcelona revealed Friday that scientists discovered parts of the COVID-19 genome in wastewater samples collected in Barcelona in March 2019.
After the COVID-19 outbreak reached Europe, scientists at the university began conducting research on wastewater to possibly identify new outbreaks. They also decided to test old water samples, those collected between January 2018 and December 2019. Only a sample from March 2019 tested positive for COVID-19.

"The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive," research leader Albert Bosch said, Reuters reported.
In an interview with the New York Times, Bosch explained, "Barcelona is a city that is frequented by Chinese people, in tourism and business, so probably this happened also elsewhere, and probably at the same time."

Regarding the virus being found in a single sample from March 2019, Bosch said that it makes sense because "respiratory viruses usually have peaks around this time of the year."
Dr. Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters the research is "definitely interesting, it's suggestive."
Italian scientists have also said they found COVID-19 genetic material present in sewage months before the virus turned northern Italy into the global COVID-19 hotspot.
China claims they only became aware of the virus in late December 2019.

Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

Do you have the full article fjlip?

[dmlfarmer]

Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

Do you have the full article fjlip?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

[dmlfarmer]

Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

Do you have the full article fjlip?

findings in Italy in December
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/italy-sewage-study-suggests-covid19-was-there-in-december-2019/news-story/2fd865f7b12a33698f3e9ab2f15a35e3 https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/italy-sewage-study-suggests-covid19-was-there-in-december-2019/news-story/2fd865f7b12a33698f3e9ab2f15a35e3

[sk_wheatking]

Interesting, but now the question will be did it actually begin in China, or in Europe based on it being was found in Barcelona back in March 2019. Could be a Chinese tourist picked up the virus in Barcelona and took it back to Wuhan instead of the other way around and a Chinese tourist took it to Barcelona.

Thats right, it can't be china, this is proof!!!! China innocent!!!!!!

[jazz]

Thats right, it can't be china, this is proof!!!! China innocent!!!!!!

But you missed the most obvious conclusion. This was released into the world a full year before reported. The entire world has had this and recovered already. Hence the huge asymptotic cases. A novel deadly virus with a 99% asymptotic result and a 98% survival rate...right. They are just finding the antibodies with the tests now and creating hysteria.

What a joke this has become.

[Blaithin]

But you missed the most obvious conclusion. This was released into the world a full year before reported. The entire world has had this and recovered already. Hence the huge asymptotic cases. A novel deadly virus with a 99% asymptotic result and a 98% survival rate...right. They are just finding the antibodies with the tests now and creating hysteria.

What a joke this has become.

Alright. Go find someone who’s an active confirmed case and give them a kiss then.

[jazz]

Alright. Go find someone who’s an active confirmed case and give them a kiss then.

I have probably already had it and didn't even know. So have you. So has most of the planet.

Like I told you all before, if there was really a deadly new virus that had emerged, brand new to the human immune system, you would have seen stadiums full of dead in the first few months. Just like the bubonic plague.

[Blaithin]

I think you failed virology 101.

[jazz]

I think you failed virology 101.

Refute the reasoning if you can. Don't just drop ad hominem insults. That's a cop out.

That article proves there were unrestrained carriers roaming the planet for a year before the strain was identified. 3 weeks gestation to apparent death. Work it out. Using the experts own contact models.

Unrestrained carriers should have resulted in millions of deaths by now. Where are they?

[biglentil]

I have probably already had it and didn't even know. So have you. So has most of the planet.

Like I told you all before, if there was really a deadly new virus that had emerged, brand new to the human immune system, you would have seen stadiums full of dead in the first few months. Just like the bubonic plague.

Pls stop Jazz most of the planet has not contracted it. When it tears through a nursing home it's pretty obvious.

"A*New York City nursing home reported 98 resident deaths Friday believed to be linked to the coronavirus, a figure so staggering the facility ordered a refrigerator truck to store the bodies until backed-up funeral homes could pick them up."

[the big wheel]

The biggest issue to me is that I don’t trust the number of deaths caused by this as stated by governments. It has become so obvious that those govs they want to get re elected are under stating and those that want to get elected are possibly overstating.
If this was here before we thought no one was tested for this at all at time of death. So who knows

[fjlip]

"Bosch, who is president of the Spanish Society of Virologists, said that an early detection even in January could have improved the response to the pandemic. Instead, patients were probably misdiagnosed with common flu, contributing to community transmission before measures were taken."

Well if true, infections for a year undiagnosed could mean MILLIONS had it, 98% are mild, so the death rate could be TINY, as any other flu or the COLDS we all have!

[Blaithin]

The morbidity of it now lends credence to it being fairly new. Or at least the strains currently making the rounds that are so easily transmissible are newer. Keeping in mind coronavirus IS the cause of the common cold.

If it was around for a year Florida should already all have had it at the rate they’re going right now. Which means... they haven’t already all had it, or immunity is next to non existent, or its evolved.

[jazz]

BL, think, stop and really think instead of what you feel like is happening.

The CDC model of march showed that a group of unrestained carriers in the US with no lock down and no measures at all would result in 2.2M deaths in a population of 350M by August, just 5 months. Those were the experts right?

Now apply that to the planet for twice as long. A group of carriers sprreading over the entire planet March 2019 to January 2020. That's 9 months of spread in a population of 7B before any lockdowns were even considered. That would have result in more than 100M dead.

You would have thought our experts might have noticed 100M dying people going through the hospital systems of the world.

Deaths are dropping, the recorded mortality rate in the entire population is 0.26% right now as verified by Stanford. More than 98% survival. Lots of things rip through nursing homes. People dying at 85 are not a representative sample of any cause of death in the general population.