Florida hospital admits its COVID positivity rate is 10x lower than first reported

[farming101]

US deaths attributed to covid-19: 142,861. Places it at #6.

US excess deaths in 2020: 149,200

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

[jazz]

US deaths attributed to covid-19: 142,861. Places it at #6.

Nope, you don't get to play that game. That cdc chart is tracking pure deaths from each category. Not related or attributed. Hypertension is related to heart conditions so is diabetes, reported and tracked separately. That's like counting suicides who have high blood pressure.

Give me the pure covid deaths ex any other condition and then rank it.

[farming101]

It was known from the start that covid-19 was especially deadly to those with an underlying health condition.

Yes they are sick, yes they are elderly, but their demise has been brought forward and caused hundreds of thousands of excess deaths.
And to emphasize, no one is home free if they get this.
Here is an article already a month old. Where ya been man..
https://calgaryherald.com/news/one-third-of-alberta-icu-admission-had-no-preexisting-conditions-ahs-data https://calgaryherald.com/news/one-third-of-alberta-icu-admission-had-no-preexisting-conditions-ahs-data

[jazz]

It was known from the start that covid-19 was especially deadly to those with an underlying health condition.

Well so is the regular flu, did you wear a mask or shut down your business and quarantine yourself last winter. There is a shot for pneumonia, did you take it? Did anybody you know get it? Still 2.5M pneumonia deaths world wide with a working vaccine.

Look at the cdc data, heart conditions, cancer dominate that chart. I still see people smoking.

To have an appropriate response to any situation, you need proper data, not a bunch of pseudo stats all blended in and then reported with breathless hysteria on the tv ticker.

The San Diego docs are the only ones who went back and autopsied and found only 6 people out of 293 deaths could be fully attributed to covid.

[farming101]

I think the death rate will go down. Way more people have been exposed to the virus and have not been tested and have recovered or didn't even get sick.
For a relatively healthy population you can likely look to a country like South Korea. 2.14% of cases have resulted in death.
In Canada deaths are running at 8% of cases. Got in to the seniors population in Quebec. As testing continues the rate of death will drop. Older folks will be cautious.
The issue is it is quite infectious. The risk of it spreading to older ones will be there for the foreseeable future.

Bottom line, you do not want to get a full blown case of this https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/coronavirus-scientists-health-problems/ https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/coronavirus-scientists-health-problems/
and you do not want to spread it around if you do.

And yes, everyone dies sooner or later. But as you inferred, I think, when you mentioned smoking and the risk of heath problems, people take risks all the time that can endanger their health or life. I can avoid cigarette smoke but I have a harder time avoiding a virus I can't see.
As we age we start to fall apart, then an illness comes along and takes us out. Happens all the time. The health care system is set up to deal with an expected level of death. It is the excess deaths resulting from an infectious disease that is the issue

[fjlip]

"Most of the people that have had it say you definitely don’t want the experience."

Then "many more people had it, not been tested and recovered or hardly sick"

So which is it? Bullshit unless 99% MILD is a lie? Think most had it in some form or other. It will NOT go away, just like the COLD!

[rumrocks]

There's something unique about this virus that hasn't been told yet, it's not consistent once it enters a healthy body.

The results vary from not knowing you have it, to death.

Apparently there may be two strains, a "L" and a "S" . . . . . .

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/there-are-two-strains-covid-2019%E2%80%94-one-actually-deadlier-other-135712 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/there-are-two-strains-covid-2019%E2%80%94-one-actually-deadlier-other-135712

[macdon02]

There's something unique about this virus that hasn't been told yet, it's not consistent once it enters a healthy body.

The results vary from not knowing you have it, to death.

Apparently there may be two strains, a "L" and a "S" . . . . . .

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/there-are-two-strains-covid-2019%E2%80%94-one-actually-deadlier-other-135712 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/there-are-two-strains-covid-2019%E2%80%94-one-actually-deadlier-other-135712

It's political. First ever. It gets bent to suit the agenda of the moment. It's not that it doesn't exist, but if it can be torqued one way or another, it is. Never before has a "leper colony" been extended to include the healthy rather then just the sick. I was scared to begin with, 3 months later, it's just the measles or chicken pox or aids. It will be the downfall of western society, its divided everyone.

[burnt]

Fudging the numbers .... hmmmmm
Who woulda thunk when an agenda being pushed

Which might be why the "science" mutates, the story mutates, the advice mutates about 10 times as fast as the virus?

No shutdown -> shutdown (but a very leaky one).
No masks -> masks MUST be worn (even very leaky ones).
No travel -> government types travel all over...
No gatherings -> kneel in public square with protesters

And so on...

[jazz]

Iran just announced they have 25M cases and only 14,000 deaths. Amazing turnaround for country that was apparently once prepping mass graves.

Philipines, population 90M+ with 20M in a single city, metro manilla which has large portions of slums, deaths 1850, less than Canada, one of the least populated land masses on the planet.

Like how do you guys reconcile this? Trump killing 140,000 americans but some of the largest poorest places on the planet have less deaths than enlightened Quebec does.

There is only one answer and if people would think critically you would see it.