Farm Solar Scam

[furrowtickler]

well the problem is , LEP
they want their cake and eat it too
they think we should all pay for their inefficient systems

Maybe they have shares in certain solar companies they promote?
There is a place for solar I agree tweety .
But it is a fraction of what is needed , especially in Canada ..... winter for 5 months a year kinda puts a damper on yearly efficiency.
Chuck talks about Australia Solar constantly ..... that’s apples and oranges

And case your bang on with “we should all pay for their inefficient systems”. Just like we should all support their grain sales through the CWB ... same mentality

[tweety]

well the problem is , LEP
they want their cake and eat it too
they think we should all pay for their inefficient systems

No one is asking you to pay for anything.

[Oliver88]

No one is asking you to pay for anything.

It would be nice to have an option to opt out of subsidizing inefficient and unreliable forms of power generation. Unfortunately we don’t have a choice so all the vanity projects including solar or wind will increase everyone’s SaskPower rates.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

It would be nice to have an option to opt out of subsidizing inefficient and unreliable forms of power generation. Unfortunately we don’t have a choice so all the vanity projects including solar or wind will increase everyone’s SaskPower rates.

I agree.

https://thenarwhal.ca/canadas-fossil-fuel-subsidies-amount-to-1650-per-canadian-its-got-to-stop/ https://thenarwhal.ca/canadas-fossil-fuel-subsidies-amount-to-1650-per-canadian-its-got-to-stop/

[sumdumguy]

Remember the saying about assumptions making an ass out of you and me?

Well lets make a broke ass out of western civilization. What you talking bout?

Green Assumptions:

1. Warmer climate is bad.
2. CO2 is the cause of warm climate and is the control knob.
3. Climate can be controlled by man-if he can control this one variable.
4. Lets form a religion around the belief that we can predict and control the climate a hundred, or thousand years from now.

Egocentric Manic Delusion

[tweety]

It would be nice to have an option to opt out of subsidizing inefficient and unreliable forms of power generation. Unfortunately we don’t have a choice so all the vanity projects including solar or wind will increase everyone’s SaskPower rates.

Then change the payment structure of electricity as well. Also remove the billions in subsidies for oil and gas. Also remove the subsidies for agriculture.

What you use is what you pay for on a per kw basis. NO subsidies would then be required or wanted as the local generation is actually much cheaper. In fact the advantage would be solar by a large margin. The only reason there is the subsidy to to make the unfair practice not look so bad.

It all comes down to one thing, disparity in how you pay for electricity set by careful lobbying and can be looked at as a subsidy of normal residential customers to pay for industrial distribution. ATCO and transalta have long been doing this deeply connected to government. Change that, you change renewables forever with no subsidies whatsoever.

You always jump to the same conclusion, subsidies for renewable as the problem - yet the real problem is a completely unfair, monopolistic, protectionistic pricing model for traditional grid that forces renewable local generation completely not competitive.

[furrowtickler]

Then change the payment structure of electricity as well. Also remove the billions in subsidies for oil and gas. Also remove the subsidies for agriculture.

What you use is what you pay for on a per kw basis. NO subsidies would then be required or wanted as the local generation is actually much cheaper. In fact the advantage would be solar by a large margin. The only reason there is the subsidy to to make the unfair practice not look so bad.

It all comes down to one thing, disparity in how you pay for electricity set by careful lobbying and can be looked at as a subsidy of normal residential customers to pay for industrial distribution. ATCO and transalta have long been doing this deeply connected to government. Change that, you change renewables forever with no subsidies whatsoever.

You always jump to the same conclusion, subsidies for renewable as the problem - yet the real problem is a completely unfair, monopolistic, protectionistic pricing model for traditional grid that forces renewable local generation completely not competitive.

But keep your hands out for CERB cheque’s right ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Then change the payment structure of electricity as well. Also remove the billions in subsidies for oil and gas. Also remove the subsidies for agriculture.

What you use is what you pay for on a per kw basis. NO subsidies would then be required or wanted as the local generation is actually much cheaper. In fact the advantage would be solar by a large margin. The only reason there is the subsidy to to make the unfair practice not look so bad.

It all comes down to one thing, disparity in how you pay for electricity set by careful lobbying and can be looked at as a subsidy of normal residential customers to pay for industrial distribution. ATCO and transalta have long been doing this deeply connected to government. Change that, you change renewables forever with no subsidies whatsoever.

You always jump to the same conclusion, subsidies for renewable as the problem - yet the real problem is a completely unfair, monopolistic, protectionistic pricing model for traditional grid that forces renewable local generation completely not competitive.

Can you explain what legislative change would accomplish this? Local generation such as Chuck's is entirely reliant on using an interconnected grid as "storage" at no cost to the freeloaders such as Chuck. Remove the ability to do that, and the economics of solar or wind become impossible.

Unless you have been listening to Chuck for so long that you think that we can legislate away the laws of physics, or that the only thing stopping the renewable energy panacea is a conspiracy theory by big oil and big electricity? There are a lot of otherwise smart people who read uninformed media stories about renewable power, who come away thinking that the storage technology already exists, and can be installed and maintained at a cost remotely close to existing generation sources.

As soon as economic storage technology exists, no legislative changes will be required, the economics will dictate that local generation wins over centralized. But as of today, there is no such technology even on the drawing board. Remember in our climate, 3 months of storage is what is being installed for stand alone solar when blackouts are not permissible. And that the cost of storage technology needs to drop by a full order of magnitude to make solar competitive with fossil fuels. I expect we will eventually get there, but it won't be by decree from above.

[LEP]

Can you explain what legislative change would accomplish this? Local generation such as Chuck's is entirely reliant on using an interconnected grid as "storage" at no cost to the freeloaders such as Chuck. Remove the ability to do that, and the economics of solar or wind become impossible.

Unless you have been listening to Chuck for so long that you think that we can legislate away the laws of physics, or that the only thing stopping the renewable energy panacea is a conspiracy theory by big oil and big electricity? There are a lot of otherwise smart people who read uninformed media stories about renewable power, who come away thinking that the storage technology already exists, and can be installed and maintained at a cost remotely close to existing generation sources.

As soon as economic storage technology exists, no legislative changes will be required, the economics will dictate that local generation wins over centralized. But as of today, there is no such technology even on the drawing board. Remember in our climate, 3 months of storage is what is being installed for stand alone solar when blackouts are not permissible. And that the cost of storage technology needs to drop by a full order of magnitude to make solar competitive with fossil fuels. I expect we will eventually get there, but it won't be by decree from above.

Chuck and tweety like to sell their excess solar power "picked up at the panel" and want someone else to pay the freight.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Chuck and tweety like to sell their excess solar power "picked up at the panel" and want someone else to pay the freight.

Uhhh that’s not how it works. In Alberta you sell a kWh for $0.10. If you buy a kWh it’s $0.20. The utility is making 10 cents each way.