Tucker Carlson defends actions of teen charged in killings of Kenosha protesters

[furrowtickler]

Without taking some personal responsibility....they failed themselves.

"As well"?

Best post in a long time 👍👍

[LEP]

I am going to wade into this thread. I am in no way a leftie but I can't imagine police treating anyone this way and getting away with it.

I believe only in absolute self defense should a Police Officer fire a gun.

For 30 years we had a Police Officer hunt geese on our farm. He was very nice to us. Polite, didn't swear, no Yankee attitude. He left a lot of his decoys at our place so he didn't have to haul them back and forth. Christmas letters, etc.

We never asked him about his job and nothing was ever offered. But we knew about his kids and grandkids.

Well about the second last year he came up the conversation moved onto something that was in the US news. It was about a black man being killed by Police. He started going on a mini rant about black people. It was quite spiel and he left you no question that he despised them. Shocked us because it was quite a departure from our experience with him over the previous 28 years.

So he died this winter and his widow phoned up and asked if some of his ashes could be sprinkled around his main hunting spots. She pointed us to his obituary. Turns out he was the head of the SWAT force in Cleveland and I think he had also started the SWAT force in Cincinnati I think. So I can see how the thinking can permeate a Police force.

[fjlip]

Don't think we have a CLUE how it is for police to constantly deal with SUCH LOW LIFE SCUM! All of us would quickly feel as they do, totally sick of the situation and such persons, what ever color/race. It is totally understandable to me. A classic for me is hearing an Indigenous RCMP constable speak of a local reserve in total disgust, his own people. Your actions will form others opinions of you, act accordingly.

[TSIPP]

Good thing I’m not a cop, I’d have no patience for all the crap going on and I’d make Dirty Harry look like a choirboy.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I am going to wade into this thread. I am in no way a leftie but I can't imagine police treating anyone this way and getting away with it.

I believe only in absolute self defense should a Police Officer fire a gun.

For 30 years we had a Police Officer hunt geese on our farm. He was very nice to us. Polite, didn't swear, no Yankee attitude. He left a lot of his decoys at our place so he didn't have to haul them back and forth. Christmas letters, etc.

We never asked him about his job and nothing was ever offered. But we knew about his kids and grandkids.

Well about the second last year he came up the conversation moved onto something that was in the US news. It was about a black man being killed by Police. He started going on a mini rant about black people. It was quite spiel and he left you no question that he despised them. Shocked us because it was quite a departure from our experience with him over the previous 28 years.

So he died this winter and his widow phoned up and asked if some of his ashes could be sprinkled around his main hunting spots. She pointed us to his obituary. Turns out he was the head of the SWAT force in Cleveland and I think he had also started the SWAT force in Cincinnati I think. So I can see how the thinking can permeate a Police force.

It would be interesting to know if this is an attitude he brought with him into the force, or perhaps even motivated him to get into that line of work, or if it is an attitude that he developed over the years of dealing with the criminal element. It would make a big difference.
It is easy for us to be armchair quarter backs and judge police actions when we aren't exposed to this on a daily basis, and it isn't our lives on the line.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I think there is a huge difference between being "born into it" and "falling into it".

Kinda like blaming the victim.

But there has to be some personal responsibility along the way.

A general fundamental understanding of right from wrong.

Fire away.

Most of us are so far removed from these types of situations, that I doubt we can even appreciate what an uphill battle it would be to break out of the vicious cycle of broken families, poverty, substance abuse, crime, and the unwritten caste system that seems to exist, regardless of race.

Perpetuating the victim mentality is only exacerbating the problem, who can you even look to as an example of personal responsibility, when everyone you know is playing the victim card themselves? Where do you find a role model to show you right from wrong?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Without taking some personal responsibility....they failed themselves.

"As well"?

It is possible to be empatheritc, critical and sympathetic at the same time.

So, in other words, are you saying that it isn't a black and white(no pun intended) issue with clearly defined lines of who is at fault and who is the victim? As Chuck would have us all believe.

[LEP]

It would be interesting to know if this is an attitude he brought with him into the force, or perhaps even motivated him to get into that line of work, or if it is an attitude that he developed over the years of dealing with the criminal element. It would make a big difference.
It is easy for us to be armchair quarter backs and judge police actions when we aren't exposed to this on a daily basis, and it isn't our lives on the line.

I understand what you are saying. This reply actually encapsulates how I thought for a long time. I am a big supporter of the police and law and order. However, I have been disgusted with how quick some police are to open fire or take things beyond what is necessary. If you develop the attitude you describe above after years on the job. It is time for a career change. There are several qualifications to be a police officer and a “long” fuse is one of them.

[helmsdale]

A common guiding principle of officers working in high risk communities:

"Its better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six".

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I understand what you are saying. This reply actually encapsulates how I thought for a long time. I am a big supporter of the police and law and order. However, I have been disgusted with how quick some police are to open fire or take things beyond what is necessary. If you develop the attitude you describe above after years on the job. It is time for a career change. There are several qualifications to be a police officer and a “long” fuse is one of them.

I agree, if one has developed the attitude you describe above, however justified it may seem, it would be time for a career change, or at least scenery change.

But, I keep coming back to my own experiences dealing with cows. 99% of cows can be reasoned with when working with their baby calves, little or no force is required beyond some very harsh words of warning. Then there is the 1% for whom no amount of words, or force is going to stop them from attempted murder. Even though they might have been a pet a day before calving, before hormones and instinct took over. That 1% especially when they are unexpected, affects how I approach every other cow, because it is my life on the line. And it isn't fair to the other 99%, who get tarred with the same brush of shoot first and ask questions later if they look at me the wrong way. Because if you wait to let them take the the first move, it is probably already too late to defend myself from a vulnerable position of sitting on the ground.

The big difference being, outside of calving season, we all get along fine, and relationships are healed. I get to be the good guy, bringing hay, or fresh pasture. Inner city police ( or any police) deal with this day in and day out. They don't know who is high on what drugs or alcohol, or suicidal, or armed, or have an intense hatred for police. Not sure how one could not become jaded in that environment. Nearly every interaction they have with the public is going to be unpleasant for both parties, try that day after day for an entire career.

[LEP]

I agree, if one has developed the attitude you describe above, however justified it may seem, it would be time for a career change, or at least scenery change.

But, I keep coming back to my own experiences dealing with cows. 99% of cows can be reasoned with when working with their baby calves, little or no force is required beyond some very harsh words of warning. Then there is the 1% for whom no amount of words, or force is going to stop them from attempted murder. Even though they might have been a pet a day before calving, before hormones and instinct took over. That 1% especially when they are unexpected, affects how I approach every other cow, because it is my life on the line. And it isn't fair to the other 99%, who get tarred with the same brush of shoot first and ask questions later if they look at me the wrong way. Because if you wait to let them take the the first move, it is probably already too late to defend myself from a vulnerable position of sitting on the ground.

The big difference being, outside of calving season, we all get along fine, and relationships are healed. I get to be the good guy, bringing hay, or fresh pasture. Inner city police ( or any police) deal with this day in and day out. They don't know who is high on what drugs or alcohol, or suicidal, or armed, or have an intense hatred for police. Not sure how one could not become jaded in that environment. Nearly every interaction they have with the public is going to be unpleasant for both parties, try that day after day for an entire career.

I get what you are saying and intimately understand a hunter cow at calving time. But to take your example one step further, do you whack every cow with a post or carry a stock prod for every cow at calving time?

How quiet would your herd be if you did?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I get what you are saying and intimately understand a hunter cow at calving time. But to take your example one step further, do you whack every cow with a post or carry a stock prod for every cow at calving time?

How quiet would your herd be if you did?

No, but after I get beat up, the next few cows tend to pay for the sins of the offender, as the memory is still fresh, and the adrenaline has not yet subsided. Do police ever get a chance to redeem their faith in humanity? There is no need to station police into a kindergarten, retirement home, or a convent for a break, they are in the trenches forever. It would be the equivalent of every cow being an offender.