Get ready for the Liberals' secret new carbon tax

[jazz]

So this is apparently being wrapped up in the new throne speech. Would you support a biofuel mandate at the expense of our oil industry which again looks like a target as oil sands would be capped. Meanwhile we pay a carbon tax on the other side. Maybe AB will be sent on a hydrogen crusade to make up the difference.

This will really divide the west IMO but thats a Liberal specialty.
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https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-get-ready-for-the-liberals-secret-new-carbon-tax/wcm/992bb546-4ca3-403c-9f23-5b1969391305/ John Ivison: Get ready for the Liberals' secret new carbon tax

As Canadians emerge from COVID-induced hibernation, the Liberal government is preparing a plan to make their lives more expensive to meet its climate targets.

Jonathan Wilkinson, the federal minister for environment and climate change, said the CFS will diversify the economy and promote investment in clean solutions. “It will create opportunities for farmers and companies producing renewable fuels, will encourage investments in energy efficiency to help Canadians save money and will promote faster development of zero emissions vehicles,” he said in a statement.

When the details are released, Ottawa will push the green recovery and jobs angle, claiming winners will include farmers and others who create biofuels, while the prospect of processing new low carbon alternative fuels will attract foreign direct investment.

If the government is to meet its current goal, or even exceed it, Ottawa will have to curtail the expansion of the oilsands.

Critics claim the CFS is an important policy instrument to do just that. Ottawa is set to present the new fuel standard as an opportunity for Western farmers to grow biofuels and will point out the main costs are set to be borne at refineries in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick.

[farmaholic]

I thought the carbon foot print producing the bio-fuels wasn't much smaller than that of traditional petrol fuels.

Diesel engines have had emission reductions enforced upon them....

Gas automobiles are already quite fuel efficient.

There has to be other ways to reduce emissions.... no one thinks twice about driving anywhere these days.

So let's carbon tax everyone into submission.

[jazz]

I thought the carbon foot print producing the bio-fuels wasn't much smaller than that of traditional petrol fuels.

Who knows farma, with all this green stuff its all smoke and mirrors but if it raises the price of canola just so some toronto urbanites can feel good, then so be it. I am torn at the damage it would do to our oil industry but my main trade is agriculture.

I am sure if there are biodeisel plants built farmers wont be part of it, or maybe it will just come from the US. That would be Trudeau logic.

[jazz]

More;

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jack-mintz-liberals-latest-plan-to-penalize-western-energy-is-exactly-what-canada-doesn-t-need/ar-BB18WL83?ocid=msedgntp Jack Mintz: Liberals’ latest plan to penalize western energy is exactly what Canada doesn’t need

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I thought the carbon foot print producing the bio-fuels wasn't much smaller than that of traditional petrol fuels.
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You are still under the mistaken assumption that there is logic involved, and that physics and math matter in these issues. Just like how Europe is busy destroying their forests, and North American forests( then shipping wood across the Atlantic), to burn in power plants converted from coal, all because according to the geniuses like Chuck, burning wood doesn't emit CO2, so it allows them to meet their emissions targets.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://notrickszone.com/2020/09/06/environmental-disaster-northern-europe-deforestation-up-49-due-to-effort-to-meet-co2-targets/ https://notrickszone.com/2020/09/06/environmental-disaster-northern-europe-deforestation-up-49-due-to-effort-to-meet-co2-targets/

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-06-20/uk-s-move-away-coal-means-they-re-burning-wood-us https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-06-20/uk-s-move-away-coal-means-they-re-burning-wood-us

[flea beetle]

Who knows farma, with all this green stuff its all smoke and mirrors but if it raises the price of canola just so some toronto urbanites can feel good, then so be it. I am torn at the damage it would do to our oil industry but my main trade is agriculture.

I am sure if there are biodeisel plants built farmers wont be part of it, or maybe it will just come from the US. That would be Trudeau logic.

Oh, they will include farmers. Farmers will pay for the whole deal, and then 20-30-40 years down the line it will be sold or taken and farmers won't be compensated one red cent.

[burnt]

You are still under the mistaken assumption that there is logic involved, and that physics and math matter in these issues. Just like how Europe is busy destroying their forests, and North American forests( then shipping wood across the Atlantic), to burn in power plants converted from coal, all because according to the geniuses like Chuck, burning wood doesn't emit CO2, so it allows them to meet their emissions targets.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://notrickszone.com/2020/09/06/environmental-disaster-northern-europe-deforestation-up-49-due-to-effort-to-meet-co2-targets/ https://notrickszone.com/2020/09/06/environmental-disaster-northern-europe-deforestation-up-49-due-to-effort-to-meet-co2-targets/

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-06-20/uk-s-move-away-coal-means-they-re-burning-wood-us https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-06-20/uk-s-move-away-coal-means-they-re-burning-wood-us

AF5, when the actions of a person or party defy all logic, then the perp's goals need to be re-evaluated.

Humans, as sensient beings that were designed to value that which is good and beneficial, have an inherent tendency to disbelieve and discredit actions and attitudes which flow from a deep well of evil.

JBP described the mindset and motive behind the push to dismantle and destroy things in the video link I posted (22) in the following thread:

https://www.agriville.com/threads/41275-next-canadian-election https://www.agriville.com/threads/41275-next-canadian-election

"But we assume that Hitler wanted to win. That's not a very intelligent assumption. He wasn't exactly a good guy. So why should we assume that he was aiming at the good he was promoting even in his own terms...because that's a bit counter-productive, unless what you're aiming at the the maximum possible mayhem in the shortest period of time."

1:40 - 1:55 he gives particularly valuable assessment technique.

Humans, as sentient beings that were designed to value that which is good and beneficial, have an inherent tendency to disbelieve and discredit actions and attitudes which flow from a deep well of unmitigated evil.

"The evil that I see happening cannot be happening because it is so evil as to defy human reason" - Wrong. It is happening and it is exactly what it appears to be.

[blackpowder]

I remember touring the ethanol plant east of Moose Jaw in January.
Laughed my ass off at all the NG being burnt and heat exhausted drying the mash.
Biofuel another scam as it exists today.

[rumrocks]

More;

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jack-mintz-liberals-latest-plan-to-penalize-western-energy-is-exactly-what-canada-doesn-t-need/ar-BB18WL83?ocid=msedgntp Jack Mintz: Liberals’ latest plan to penalize western energy is exactly what Canada doesn’t need

Canada produces 1.6 % of the worlds GHG, if the number was .06 would Lisa or Rosemary or even Katherine McKenna, [probably not her] stop, think and realize this charade has got to stop. At some point, some one will have to place a factual informative sticky note on the emperors forehead.

This surgeon has no trouble removing the arm to stop a broken nail from spreading.

[chuckChuck]

Isn't 40 % of the US corn crop used for bio-fuels? Without that usage grain prices would look a whole lot lower. Bio-fuels aren't the answer for climate change. But they are an indirect subsidy to farmers. Aren't most of you devout "free" marketers opposed to subsidies?

[chuckChuck]

Canada produces 1.6 % of the worlds GHG, if the number was .06 would Lisa or Rosemary or even Katherine McKenna, [probably not her] stop, think and realize this charade has got to stop. At some point, some one will have to place a factual informative sticky note on the emperors forehead.

This surgeon has no trouble removing the arm to stop a broken nail from spreading.

So if this all true and a waste of time don't you think O'toole would stop the insanity?

No, instead he said he will stand by the Paris agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions! Say Whaaaat!

Looks like your views have had zero influence on O'toole and the Conservatives! LOL

[chuckChuck]

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

[rumrocks]

So if this all true and a waste of time don't you think O'toole would stop the insanity?

No, instead he said he will stand by the Paris agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions! Say Whaaaat!

Looks like your views have had zero influence on O'toole and the Conservatives! LOL

Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal voters .

[ColevilleH2S]

Since Chuck likes data:

[jazz]

Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal voters .

Yup, gotta give the climate mouth breathers something so instead of real science and real solutions, just give them some UN globalist garbage. Meh climate change....

Trudeau will have to pull some biofuel crap to say he is doing something. No nuclear reactors in the works, hydro is dead and overrun to the point it might put a couple provinces into insolvency, solar wind are a dud and would have to be located in southern sask so no way to feed Toronto because power lines will be blocked too. Hydrogen is fiction at this point.

So just tell the drooling masses farmers are making renewables while we carbon tax their grain drying.