Get ready for the Liberals' secret new carbon tax

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Funny how they forgot to include water vapour in Chuck's pretty graph of greenhouse gases. I wonder why they would omit what is by far the most significant greenhouse gas.

[macdon02]

If you are not familiar with Breakthrough Energy yet, i highly recommend doing some research. This is more wealth redistribution and it will make you puke seeing who the board of directors is. Freeland has mentioned this "theory" if serfdom in her TED talks. We are not the winners in this scenario, but suddenly we will be the target of oil. Divide and Conquer.





There's a Canadian division that has agreements in place with the Govt of Canada. We are handing everything over to the elite and sacrificing small private business. You can take it to the bank that any biofuel processing will be an oligopoly, the same as the rail, grain, utilities, and every other aspect of life in Canada, tight hands that are govt endorsed not allowing anyone else in.

[chuckChuck]

Since Chuck likes data:
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Interesting! But it still doesn’t change the reality that greenhouse gas emissions are causing climate change.

[dalek]

Read deeper into the biofuels part. It won’t be good for farmers at all. Only crops from certain farms certified “clean” will be allowed to be sold into the biofuels market. Cleared more than half a hectare of land since 2007? Can’t sell crop for biofuels, has to go somewhere else. Don’t want to leave a 30m buffer on either side of a vaguely described waterway? Can’t sell crop for biofuels. Etc etc. And it’s up to the farmer to prove their crop is “clean” and it’ll have to end up in two streams through the elevator systems, transportation, etc and you can bet who gets to pay for that too.

And oh yeah, imported grain won’t have to meet the standard to go into the biofuel stream. So existing plants can just bring in US corn and kill the local basis

[burnt]

Read deeper into the biofuels part. It won’t be good for farmers at all. Only crops from certain farms certified “clean” will be allowed to be sold into the biofuels market. Cleared more than half a hectare of land since 2007? Can’t sell crop for biofuels, has to go somewhere else. Don’t want to leave a 30m buffer on either side of a vaguely described waterway? Can’t sell crop for biofuels. Etc etc. And it’s up to the farmer to prove their crop is “clean” and it’ll have to end up in two streams through the elevator systems, transportation, etc and you can bet who gets to pay for that too.

And oh yeah, imported grain won’t have to meet the standard to go into the biofuel stream. So existing plants can just bring in US corn and kill the local basis

dalek, do you get the Farmtario paper? Good piece in there recently touching on what you just said.

Grain Farmers of Ontario is onto it.

[jazz]

Read deeper into the biofuels part.

Good catch dalek, Trudeau always has a huge FU built into every policy. This looks like another direct attack on the energy industry using biofuels as cover.

Of course the average idiot from Toronto has never seen a canola field so what do they know. Just go along with it.

[dalek]

dalek, do you get the Farmtario paper? Good piece in there recently touching on what you just said.

Grain Farmers of Ontario is onto it.

I have it here but I haven’t gotten to it yet. Might have to eat a block of cheese so I can make some time for reading. I’m sure it’ll come up for the GFO AGM on Tuesday

[Hamloc]

What no one has mentioned is the regulations under the new clean fuel standard amount to the equivalent of a $350 a tonne C02 tax. The main targets are transportation and heating fuels. The problem in my opinion from a farmer perspective is the heating fuels, natural gas and propane. Imagine what the equivalent of $350 a tonne C02 tax will do to your grain drying bill. It is only $30 a tonne now! Anybody that thinks that Justin Trudeau will enact policies that will benefit farmers in western Canada must be consuming marijuana edibles!

[Hamloc]

Interesting column in the Toronto Sun: “Sims:B.C. Emissions up despite highest carbon tax in Canada.” A couple of highlights. Latest year stats are available for is 2018, C02 emissions were 67.9 million tonnes. An increase of 10% in the last 3 years. Some very interesting quotes from John Horgan who fought against the carbon tax in 2008 but keeps pushing higher today. These policies are a cash grab plain and simple!!

[chuckChuck]

Where is the evidence that the clean fuel standard will produce a $350 equivalent cost per tonne of carbon to consumers? We need to see the details of any plan before we can assume that hyper inflated number designed to scare people!

The $350 per tonne is not the actual cost.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-get-ready-for-the-liberals-secret-new-carbon-tax/wcm/992bb546-4ca3-403c-9f23-5b1969391305/ https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-get-ready-for-the-liberals-secret-new-carbon-tax/wcm/992bb546-4ca3-403c-9f23-5b1969391305/

"The model proposed by the government allows businesses that can’t comply with the regulations to buy credits to make up the shortfall. In the CERI model, those credits were estimated at $200 per tonne of carbon dioxide.

"the CFS will be set at $350 per tonne, in order to force companies to invest in cleaner fuel, rather than simply buy credits. The higher the cost of the credits, the larger the price impact on solid, liquid and gaseous fuels."

"The cost implications for households and industry are unclear but a study by the Canadian Energy Research Institute in May 2019 estimated the impact of a 20 per cent reduction in carbon intensity. CERI suggested a total fuel decarbonisation cost of $15.3 billion a year, adding $84 or four per cent to household fuel bills; $62 or 2.8 per cent to the cost of gas; and 13 per cent to fuel costs for industry."

"Critics claim the CFS is an important policy instrument to do just that. Ottawa is set to present the new fuel standard as an opportunity for Western farmers to grow biofuels and will point out the main costs are set to be borne at refineries in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick."

BC, California, Oregon and The EU already have a clean fuel standards.

[Hamloc]

Where is the evidence that the clean fuel standard will produce a $350 equivalent cost per tonne of carbon to consumers? We need to see the details of any plan before we can assume that hyper inflated number designed to scare people!

The $350 per tonne is not the actual cost.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-get-ready-for-the-liberals-secret-new-carbon-tax/wcm/992bb546-4ca3-403c-9f23-5b1969391305/ https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-get-ready-for-the-liberals-secret-new-carbon-tax/wcm/992bb546-4ca3-403c-9f23-5b1969391305/

"The model proposed by the government allows businesses that can’t comply with the regulations to buy credits to make up the shortfall. In the CERI model, those credits were estimated at $200 per tonne of carbon dioxide.

"the CFS will be set at $350 per tonne, in order to force companies to invest in cleaner fuel, rather than simply buy credits. The higher the cost of the credits, the larger the price impact on solid, liquid and gaseous fuels."

"The cost implications for households and industry are unclear but a study by the Canadian Energy Research Institute in May 2019 estimated the impact of a 20 per cent reduction in carbon intensity. CERI suggested a total fuel decarbonisation cost of $15.3 billion a year, adding $84 or four per cent to household fuel bills; $62 or 2.8 per cent to the cost of gas; and 13 per cent to fuel costs for industry."

"Critics claim the CFS is an important policy instrument to do just that. Ottawa is set to present the new fuel standard as an opportunity for Western farmers to grow biofuels and will point out the main costs are set to be borne at refineries in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick."

BC, California, Oregon and The EU already have a clean fuel standards.

B.C. already has a clean fuel standard? From 2015 to 2018 C02 emissions in B.C. Have risen over 10%, whaaat, it certainly looks like we should follow their example LOL!

[chuckChuck]

Yes their economy and population has continued to grow at a remarkable rate driving up total emissions, in spite of their carbon tax and clean fuel regulations. So many people call the carbon tax an economy killer but BC proves that wrong.

But on a per capita basis have BC emissions gone down? I think so.

[Hamloc]

Yes their economy and population has continued to grow at a remarkable rate driving up total emissions, in spite of their carbon tax and clean fuel regulations. So many people call the carbon tax an economy killer but BC proves that wrong.

But on a per capita basis have BC emissions gone down? I think so.

Their economy has grown in a large part due to increases in real estate value but you are correct their economy has grown. But the point is so have their C02 emissions! If you had read the article I mentioned you would see that C02 emissions from passenger vehicles had gone up something like 13%(from memory could be wrong), B.C. Residents in Vancouver pay about 30 cents a litre more than Albertans yet the amount of gas they consume continues to rise. B.C. Has generous government programs to incentivize electric vehicles but emissions continue to rise. I would say all of Canada would like positive economic growth and positive population growth, using B.C.’s example that also means C02 emissions will continue to grow in the rest of Canada. Now let’s look at the numbers, C02 emissions in Canada have essentially been flat since 2005 at around 715-720 mega tonnes. Obviously other parts of Canada are doing better than BC!

[farming101]

Yes their economy and population has continued to grow at a remarkable rate driving up total emissions, in spite of their carbon tax and clean fuel regulations. So many people call the carbon tax an economy killer but BC proves that wrong.

But on a per capita basis have BC emissions gone down? I think so.

Too funny. Ignore simple math and it all works?

China the largest emitter in the world gets a pass because their per capita emissions are less than many other places. It is only fair they be allowed to put out a lot more GHG because to do otherwise would mean each person in China is at a disadvantage! Emit on!

To illustrate this on a worldwide scale: If the world population continues to grow and per capita the rate of GHG emissions stays constant then it's all good. But wait, more people equals more GHG in total. Doesn't seem to matter. It's per capita! Stupid!

Apparently simple math skills are not required to be an authority these days

[jazz]

ha what is BCs main industry besides real estate speculation and money laundering from china?

Of course thats continued to grow. A carbon tax wont hurt that fake economy.