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    #71
    Originally posted by farming101 View Post
    Too soon to buy shares in GenSet manufacturers?
    The last 3 commercial elevators built here are running everything off NG generators

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      #72
      Originally posted by dalek View Post
      The last 3 commercial elevators built here are running everything off NG generators
      And that is why a prohibitively expensive CO2 tax is required. Any business which can't move out of the country, such as an elevator will switch to cost effective alternatives as grid supplied electricity becomes ever more expensive with the addition of "cheaper" alternatives, will attempt on site fossil fuels as an end run around the lunacy. Need a Co2 tax to make sure that option is not cost effective either.

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        #73
        Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
        The only reason you guys farm ..... hmmm speaks volumes

        BTW I agree with you post 👍
        The last part is telling though
        I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.

        BTW, today is Tesla battery day. Solid state 400 whrs/kg? Maybe? No more lithium? Exciting. Waiting eagerly.

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          #74
          Originally posted by tweety View Post
          I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.

          BTW, today is Tesla battery day. Solid state 400 whrs/kg? Maybe? No more lithium? Exciting. Waiting eagerly.
          But how’s your planter working then ?? Lol

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            #75
            Originally posted by tweety View Post
            I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.
            That explains alot.

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              #76
              And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.

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                #77
                Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.
                Wind always blows .... lol

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                  #78
                  I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand. Name plate would be almost 20%. California decommissioned a lot of conventional plants thinking wind and solar would replace them, with resulting blackouts and exorbitant price increases , fortunately AB hasn't yet done so.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                    I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand..
                    But those windfarms are creating a billion terawatts of virtue signaling.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                      See the gross ignorance in Chuck's post #60 as an example of what I am talking about. A wholly government owned utility is mandating expanding renewables way past the point of complete grid destabilization, and shills like Chuck just repeat it ad nauseum, as if repetition is somehow going to make all the technical hurdles magically disappear.

                      This is the type of ignorant misinformation, and the useful idiots we are up against, and the reason why some of us make the effort to point out the absurdity and shortcomings of such wishful thinking.

                      Here is one hurdle, I hadn't checked ASEO for months, so I had a look this AM. Wind generation in Alberta is currently at ~7% of nameplate capacity and falling steadily all morning so far. As we pointed out last winter, it fell to zero sometimes. Solar was 0 until after 8 AM today. If grid scale battery storage existed at at cost that could be remotely competetive with fossil fuels, then these periods would be a non issue. A recent MIT study found that storage costs need to decline by a full order of magnitude to be competitive.
                      As Oneoff likes to say, anything is possible if you put enough horsepower behind it. Or in this case, taxpayer dollars, and consumer extortion. Can sask reach 50% average.? Definitely. Will that reduce CO2 output, or fossil fuel consumption when it all needs to be backed up by fossil fuels? Will anyone be able to afford the electricity coming out the other end?
                      Australia has a way more wind and solar than Saskatchewan will have and their system operator said they can handle 60 70 % from renewables. Yes there are issues like how to compensate failing coal suppliers but many of the technical issues are manageable and will become e much more manageable as we use storage and smart grid applications. The operator also said solar and wind are the cheapest generation sources.

                      Fossil fuels also have hidden environmental and health costs which are not included in their pricing. They are also subsidized in various ways so when you add it all up they are not as cheap as you think they are. But you don’t want to discuss these issues! Haha
                      Last edited by chuckChuck; Sep 22, 2020, 16:38.

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