Tesla Megapack

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thats not our country or our concern. Worry about whats in front of your face. In Canada, there is no workable version of any renewable energy that will ever power this country, period, except for a virtue signal exercise. Thats simple physics to the misinformed.

Too cold, too far north, to sparsely populated, too cloudy, too snowy, and vast distances between population centers and no willingness from anyone to connect critical infrastructure for the benefit of the nation. Thats the realty of the country for the misguided.

Never say never. Solar and wind look like improbable candidates. But we have lots more water and elevation differences yet to be exploited.
We can apply the technology used in modern oil well drilling to tap into geothermal energy.
We may find an economic way to capture wave energy on our extensive coasts.
Could be something we've never even attempted, solar wind, earths magnetic field, maybe GMO bacteria insects to capture energy from small scale natural processes like decay etc. Nanobots doing the same.
The fad of fleecing taxpayers and energy customers with solar and wind will pass, cheap gas and oil will cycle back to new highs, and innovators will find working solutions in spite of governments and Chuck's.

[malleefarmer]

Transalta is building the Windcharger project. Enough power for 80,000 homes.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/

Hornsdale Australia, 130 MWH. MegaPacks and wind.

https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/ https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

But, The experts on Agriville disagree.

The battery has a total generation capacity of 100 megawatts, and 129 megawatt-hours of energy storage. This has been decribed as “capable of powering 50,000 homes”, providing 1 hour and 18 minutes of storage.

[Hamloc]

The battery has a total generation capacity of 100 megawatts, and 129 megawatt-hours of energy storage. This has been decribed as “capable of powering 50,000 homes”, providing 1 hour and 18 minutes of storage.

Mallee you made my day for that I thank you!!

[tweety]

Tweety, last winter when it was -30 there was very little generation from Alberta’s over 20 wind farms and it was for a long enough period of time that batteries would never last. So in that case how many homes were they powering?! And fyi as I have stated many times I am not a Trump fan!!

Good to hear on trump, i think that makes 4 now lol.

So turn up the gas for that period. The rest of the time it contributes quite well. It isn't about replacing, it is about adding to the grid in a sustainable way.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the intent. Renewables for today isn't about turn off the gas. coal, whatever completely. It is about adding to, learning, innovating, moving forward. Did we go from a bunch of horses walking in a circling powering a threshing machine to a JD 690 in one step? Or a rattle Model T to the smooth vehicles of today? It has taken 100 years. Do the same with renewable, if it doesn't work think up something else but today some ideas are working so build on them.

It isn't all or nothing when it comes to renewable. That's where we come in, ensuring policy is friendly to the adaption of these technologies and not hampering to them. 100 years of lobbying has made the fossil fuel industry quite safe from any sort of "interference" from alternate systems.

[tweety]

The total number of Canadian farms is smaller than the population of 2 average federal electoral ridings. We could all unite and vote as a block, and have zero effect.

If you can't beat em, join em, comes to mind.

I am specifically referring to the lobby efforts of Cdn farmers. You come to Ottawa in packs and every one of them has a different policy direction. You may as well not come at all. At committee, each group brings up a different direction.

Ok, what is the official position of the financial effects of Covid on agriculture to all Canadian farmers? Who is doing that work? Who brings it forward as a single position for all Canadian farmers?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Tweety, the dominance of FF for the past century wouldn't have anything to do with them being the cheapest, most reliable, most storable, available, safest, energy densest form of energy man has so far encountered, would it?

You need to quit listening to conspiracy theorists like Chuck and big wheel, and the alternative energy industry needs to quit playing victim, and start creating products that can compete on their own merits, economically and environmentally.
It is not a conspiracy that the best product wins the majority of the market share, until a better product comes along to displace it.

Work on the better product, instead of mandates and CO2 taxes to drag the superior product down.

[Hamloc]

Good to hear on trump, i think that makes 4 now lol.

So turn up the gas for that period. The rest of the time it contributes quite well. It isn't about replacing, it is about adding to the grid in a sustainable way.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the intent. Renewables for today isn't about turn off the gas. coal, whatever completely. It is about adding to, learning, innovating, moving forward. Did we go from a bunch of horses walking in a circling powering a threshing machine to a JD 690 in one step? Or a rattle Model T to the smooth vehicles of today? It has taken 100 years. Do the same with renewable, if it doesn't work think up something else but today some ideas are working so build on them.

It isn't all or nothing when it comes to renewable. That's where we come in, ensuring policy is friendly to the adaption of these technologies and not hampering to them. 100 years of lobbying has made the fossil fuel industry quite safe from any sort of "interference" from alternate systems.

Tweety very simple in my opinion, I do not consider renewables a technological step forward. Less energy dense, larger foot print on the ground and an intermittent source. When the climate change proponents start backing nuclear power, a proven zero emission base load power source I will start listening. In my opinion renewables are going back to the model T!!!

[Hamloc]

One other thought on nuclear power. Canada has a history and the technology of building our own nuclear reactors. We have our own sources of uranium. This make so much more dollars and cents and sense than importing Chinese made solar panels or Danish made windmills or for that matter American made lithium storage batteries. Chuck2, Dml, Tweety show me how supporting Chinese jobs makes more sense than supporting a made in Canada approach!!!

[tweety]

Tweety very simple in my opinion, I do not consider renewables a technological step forward. Less energy dense, larger foot print on the ground and an intermittent source. When the climate change proponents start backing nuclear power, a proven zero emission base load power source I will start listening. In my opinion renewables are going back to the model T!!!

Whether you or I start listening is irrelevant. The first post is about a battery to replace a peaker with 10x less complexity and moving parts and saving them 100,000,000$. Simple business decision.

Who ever said renewables had to be zero emission? If you can double the life of fossil fuel use by the supplemental use of alternate energy sources, that is a win. There is far to much emphasis on the misguided myth "renewable" energy needs to be 100% renewable and perfect. Start, it will improve because it literally is at the Model T stage and only has 1 way to go.

The all or nothing approach is a red herring.

[tweety]

One other thought on nuclear power. Canada has a history and the technology of building our own nuclear reactors. We have our own sources of uranium. This make so much more dollars and cents and sense than importing Chinese made solar panels or Danish made windmills or for that matter American made lithium storage batteries. Chuck2, Dml, Tweety show me how supporting Chinese jobs makes more sense than supporting a made in Canada approach!!!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with nuclear. Especially recycled Haleu and spent fuel reactors. The roadblock and always the same answer, policy.