500 million for electric vehicle production

[Zephyr]

People on here don’t want only one power supply. From what I understand they want several reliable power supplies which include hydro-electric, nuclear, NG, coal, and you propose straw (gassifier) power which seems like something worth looking into for certain applications.

Could you explain why wind power would be a good investment on the Canadian prairies for a reliable power source? (The Alberta power statistics don’t show that it’s always windy but I’d like to hear your explanation.)

You could have fooled me. Every post on here is we can't possibly supplant fossil fuels. Just doesn't work!!!


Well there's two provinces in canada that get their power from water. Another that gets it from nuclear.


There's no reason why provinces on the ocean coasts can't harvest some of the currents for power.

Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Then what?



I'm all for a balance and as many power sources as possible. However, for instance, I believe Saskatchewan gets most of it's power from coal and gas. Let's diversify that.

Maybe nuclear?

Maybe some wind and some solar in the mix.

Let's do something with waste heat and co2 from the gas fired power plants.



We supplied equipment to a greenhouse facility in sask that is heated by coal and powered from electricity from the grid, then they burn nat gas to dose the building with co2.

Absolutely no way is that 1) cost effective, 2) environmentally responsible, 3) efficient, or 4) sustainable.






As far as the comment about electric tractors... The world is a big place and there's a lot of places electricity makes sense. People driving 2 ton cars to work every day... For instance.

City deliveries.

Trains can be run down electrified tracks.

Even on your farm... How many times do you run to and from the field in a pickup every day or to town for parts? A cyber truck can do all that. Put in some solar or wind generation and a power pack and you can basically bomb from field to field for free.


Costs are still high but coming down daily.

10 years ago people would have said you're crazy replacing an air powered impact with battery. How many air impacts do you use today?

[chuckChuck]

The world does not have to deal with First Nation rights and obsessive environmental regulations at the same time ... again be honest with yourself .... here , in Canada

The rest of the world is blowing past Canada as we pander to every single “special” group ... and have to have fire side chats about every single issue

The rest of the world is currently laughing at the stupidity in Canada

The oil industry and agriculture are also considered "special interests".

Oil and a ag commodities are priced in the "free" market. Farm inputs are priced in the "free" market.

You support a "free" market correct?

[chuckChuck]

You could have fooled me. Every post on here is we can't possibly supplant fossil fuels. Just doesn't work!!!


Well there's two provinces in canada that get their power from water. Another that gets it from nuclear.


There's no reason why provinces on the ocean coasts can't harvest some of the currents for power.

Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Then what?



I'm all for a balance and as many power sources as possible. However, for instance, I believe Saskatchewan gets most of it's power from coal and gas. Let's diversify that.

Maybe nuclear?

Maybe some wind and some solar in the mix.

Let's do something with waste heat and co2 from the gas fired power plants.



We supplied equipment to a greenhouse facility in sask that is heated by coal and powered from electricity from the grid, then they burn nat gas to dose the building with co2.

Absolutely no way is that 1) cost effective, 2) environmentally responsible, 3) efficient, or 4) sustainable.






As far as the comment about electric tractors... The world is a big place and there's a lot of places electricity makes sense. People driving 2 ton cars to work every day... For instance.

City deliveries.

Trains can be run down electrified tracks.

Even on your farm... How many times do you run to and from the field in a pickup every day or to town for parts? A cyber truck can do all that. Put in some solar or wind generation and a power pack and you can basically bomb from field to field for free.


Costs are still high but coming down daily.

10 years ago people would have said you're crazy replacing an air powered impact with battery. How many air impacts do you use today?

Z many of these are the same people who were pissed because the market for buggy whips disappeared.

Its the glass is half empty crowd. Excessively pessimistic and negative about changing technology.

[farmaholic]

Z many of these are the same people who were pissed because the market for buggy whips disappeared.

Its the glass is half empty crowd. Excessively pessimistic and negative about changing technology.

You're kidding about adopting new technology right?

Just because some people think solar and wind power generation and storage hasn't evolved to reach its full potential yet and can't completely replace other mature power generating technologies doesn't mean some people think it has NO value.

[jazz]

You're kidding about adopting new technology right?

Just because some people think solar and wind power generation and storage hasn't evolved to reach its full potential yet and can't completely replace other mature power generating technologies doesn't mean some people think it has NO value.

Too bad chuck didnt actually farm. he might be amazed at the technology being used.

Imagine an arm chair tourist like him trying to tell actual farmers they are against technology.

[chuckChuck]

Back to the I dont farm BS? LOL Sorry to ruin your party But I am landowning capitalist farmer.

Many utilities and countries are already using large amounts of solar and wind.

But A5 and others keep telling us it wont work! LOL

An Australian Electrical operator says it is the cheapest generation sources there.

We still need backup and storage. The transition to many cleaner energy sources is well underway.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

An Australian Electrical operator says it is the cheapest generation sources there.

Then why does the cheapest generation source result in the most expensive electricity in the world? You still haven't answered my question in the other thread about if that was the goal, or an unintended consequence?

[furrowtickler]

Then why does the cheapest generation source result in the most expensive electricity in the world? You still haven't answered my question in the other thread about if that was the goal, or an unintended consequence?

That is interesting, maybe he read it in a picture book .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That is interesting, maybe he read it in a picture book .

Chuck certainly has taken the skill of cognitive dissonance to a whole new level. And seems to be very proud of his accomplishments in this field.
That and inappropriate use of LOL...

[tweety]

Tell me,


Why is it that most of you on here hold on so fervently to one energy source?

Geothermal can generate power and heat homes without emissions.

Hydrogen is largely untapped.

Hydroelectric dams last for hundreds of years and produce clean energy plus manage a resource.

Wind is always blowing. Might as well use it for something?


Battery packs keep getting better. Oil is a battery too.

Bio-waste can be turned into heat power and fuel for engines and turbines plus remove waste and gas from landfills.


Instead of trucks and cars think hyperloop and electric trains.

You truly want to know why we go nowhere in this country? It's because the majority of people - regardless of political spectrum - would rather bash an idea than come up with one, fund one, or build one.


Hell, I'm sure the wheel and fire would never have been adopted if the entire world was like you guys

It is a shockingly high percentage of Jason Oil Is The Only Way Kenny sound-a-likes think-a-likes at ol Agriville. Considering farming for the most part has this same line of thinking being mostly unchanged for 50 years or more, it is not surprising to see the majority of the comments the way they are.

[tweety]

Then why does the cheapest generation source result in the most expensive electricity in the world? You still haven't answered my question in the other thread about if that was the goal, or an unintended consequence?

Better update your knowledge there Mr Farmer

In April 2020, Bloomberg New Energy Finance found "Solar PV and onshore wind are now the cheapest sources of new-build generation for at least two-thirds of the global population. Those two-thirds live in locations that comprise 71% of gross domestic product and 85% of energy generation. Battery storage is now the cheapest new-build technology for peaking purposes (up to two-hours of discharge duration) in gas-importing regions, like Europe, China or Japan."

[chuckChuck]

Then why does the cheapest generation source result in the most expensive electricity in the world? You still haven't answered my question in the other thread about if that was the goal, or an unintended consequence?

There are several reasons why electricity prices are higher in Australia. Are you going to ignore all the other reasons or just blame it on solar and wind? LOL. Australia deregulated their electrical system and I posted an article many months ago about the many impacts on prices. But keep telling yourself that the cause is only solar and wind even if the system operator clearly says both are the cheapest generation sources!