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    #31
    Originally posted by Austrian Economics View Post
    I don't think that a move to a digital currency really affects much, and I doubt that the central banks really care if you use paper money or not. Any business beyond a mom and pop enterprise cannot function transacting solely in cash.

    I definitely agree that negative rates are on the way. As a fiat currency collapses under the dead weight of debt that cannot be repaid, rates have to go lower and lower just to provide relief for debtors. Whether the "solution" is perpetual bonds or MMT, these ideas are just a way to put lipstick on the pig of widespread default.
    Agree it's not a huge deal but how do you store wealth in a negative rate environment? You sure don't want "dollars" that the bank strips a percentage of, monthly.

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      #32
      The entire paradox of negative rates means the boomer generation of farmers better rethink "having an auction sale" as a means of getting out, imo. Now we need a safe place to store that asset, previously bonds. Things are going to be drastically different than what most had planned. I can't see any scenario unfolding that doesn't drive land prices higher yet. Cheap money, depreciating currency which is "taxed for holding" plus in case you guys haven't noticed, wheat and soybean prices are breaking out on a long term trend.

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        #33
        There's a 15 month lag correlation in gold/ corn prices. Shit is gonna get real and in my opinion it's entirely droughtbased. Forward pricing next year's crop in this environment can be fatal
        Last edited by macdon02; Oct 7, 2020, 09:22.

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          #34
          Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
          So, can there be such a thing as a painless default by either of these means?

          By painless, I mean not resulting in mass chaos, obviously it is not painless to anyone trying to be financially responsible.
          Are we correct in assuming that preventing mass default is the objective?

          Remember, we need to adopt the new way of thinking.

          And it ain't the old way of thinking or anything near it.

          "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

          Highly doubtful that it will be voluntary.

          Waiting for the answer - what is a safe haven for assets?
          Last edited by burnt; Oct 7, 2020, 09:16.

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            #35
            Originally posted by macdon02 View Post
            The entire paradox of negative rates means the boomer generation of farmers better rethink "having an auction sale" as a means of getting out,
            land or gold macdon, there is really no place else to be. Both are as store of wealth but only one would benefit from a negative rate environment IMO.

            Effective negative rates are already here. bank rates less CPI is already negative.

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              #36
              Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
              Errol has been warning of this for years ... he must be a flatearther conspiracy theorist as well
              Other nations and CBs have balance sheets that are manageable still. As you can see, none of them went parabolic before even in the great recession 10 yrs ago.

              What Canada has done here is just unbelievable.

              Canada will be the first one to feel the reckoning.

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                #37
                Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                We live in Canada , not the US .... for the thousandth time
                Furrow, so what happens in the US doesn't affect Canada? LOL We are tied to their economy like no other economy.

                Conservative premiers want more help. Steven Harper used stimulus and bailouts during the 2008/2009 financial crisis. Trump is using stimulus now in a very big way.

                So why are posters only concerned about Trudeau's debt increase and deficit financing for stimulus and not Trump's? Why the double standard because they both could put us in peril down the road?

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                  #38
                  So if the biggest corps are buying back shares ( and going to cash) vs reinvesting in the company, or merger acquisitions isn’t this counter intuitive to borrowing more even if interest rates are negative?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                    Furrow, so what happens in the US doesn't affect Canada? LOL We are tied to their economy like no other economy.

                    Conservative premiers want more help. Steven Harper used stimulus and bailouts during the 2008/2009 financial crisis. Trump is using stimulus now in a very big way.

                    So why are posters only concerned about Trudeau's debt increase and deficit financing for stimulus and not Trump's? Why the double standard because they both could put us in peril down the road?
                    Yup the is a string connection, has been for 100 years . Yup US in a heap of trouble that obvious
                    Will you admit Canada is in grave danger under this current government?

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                      #40
                      What would a Conservative government done differently?

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