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Here's an article that is very much on this topic, although from an American perspective. But it's pretty much the same story anywhere:
https://monetary-metals.com/silver-not-stimulated-7-oct/
"However, the government has long passed the point where it can get more tax revenues from the economy. So with every increase in its spending, it turns to borrowing.
The government borrows from Peter to stimulate Paul. This is much more politically popular, because Peter believes he has a good asset. The asset pays interest (though much less than ever before). And the asset goes up in prices, making Peter feel richer.
Got that? Peter’s savings are consumed to stimulate Paul, but Peter feels like he is making money.
God bless deficit spending! Everyone loves it: Peter, as we see is happy. Paul, of course, experiences that unique warm bliss which brings a grin to his face. Economists say it stimulates not just Paul but all the Johns in the economy, too. Wall Street loves it. Republicans. Democrats. Pretty much everyone."
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There's a couple aspects of farmland that everyone who advocates for it as a "store of wealth" seem to forget.
First off is the fact that you legally register your deed. The government knows you own it, and they know what it's valued at. If SHTF, what government is going to let landowners keep what the general population will deem as ill gotten gains? Regardless of whether you cash it out at some future point, or simply hold onto it, government is going to want a piece of that pie. They are already very publicly floating the idea of a wealth tax. Nobody needs to know that you have a vault full of gold or precious diamonds in your basement, but the whole country will know exactly how many 1/4's you have to your name. It's not private!
Secondly, due to legal impediments in most jurisdictions, it can only be subdivided up so many times, so it's not like you can sell off a piece of it to cover a shortfall in cashflow, or purchase items necessary to live. It's not divisible
Thirdly, many see it as a cash producing investment in the form of rent. Ask landlords of appartments or invesment properties in many places around the world how that's working out for them in the current environment? The government can with the stroke of a pen revoke the tennants responsibility to pay you rent in part, or even in whole.
Fourthly, It's very difficult to defend. Again, if SHTF, and you live somewhere other than on the land in question, how do you possibly compel a tenant to pay for the use of said land? We rely on the state to ensure contracts are upheld, but if this world really starts to burn, what law enforcement agency is going to use the threat of violence against a tenant to uphold your rights as a landlord?
THIS government in particular, has already showed that it has a strong dislike for passive investments. When they finally get hungry for tax dollars, passive investment is going to get thrust back into the spotlight, as will capital gains whether realized or not.
Land as a store of wealth is a long ways from a "sure thing" in my mind if we as a society take a running jump off the high diving board into the shallow end of the pool.
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"Nobody needs to know that you have a vault full of gold or precious diamonds in your basement, but the whole country will know exactly how many 1/4's you have to your name.*It's not private!"
Umm but they do know if you own gold because there's a registry. All sales are reported back to govt. Unless you're melting coins or cutting up electronics, there's no way of avoiding it. Just ask next time at the post office or bank.
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Originally posted by macdon02 View Post"Nobody needs to know that you have a vault full of gold or precious diamonds in your basement, but the whole country will know exactly how many 1/4's you have to your name.*It's not private!"
Umm but they do know if you own gold because there's a registry. All sales are reported back to govt. Unless you're melting coins or cutting up electronics, there's no way of avoiding it. Just ask next time at the post office or bank.
There is no way to own a piece of farmland, even a small one, that's off the books.
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Originally posted by helmsdale View PostThere's a couple aspects of farmland that everyone who advocates for it as a "store of wealth" seem to forget.
First off is the fact that you legally register your deed. The government knows you own it, and they know what it's valued at. If SHTF, what government is going to let landowners keep what the general population will deem as ill gotten gains? Regardless of whether you cash it out at some future point, or simply hold onto it, government is going to want a piece of that pie. They are already very publicly floating the idea of a wealth tax. Nobody needs to know that you have a vault full of gold or precious diamonds in your basement, but the whole country will know exactly how many 1/4's you have to your name. It's not private!
Secondly, due to legal impediments in most jurisdictions, it can only be subdivided up so many times, so it's not like you can sell off a piece of it to cover a shortfall in cashflow, or purchase items necessary to live. It's not divisible
Thirdly, many see it as a cash producing investment in the form of rent. Ask landlords of appartments or invesment properties in many places around the world how that's working out for them in the current environment? The government can with the stroke of a pen revoke the tennants responsibility to pay you rent in part, or even in whole.
Fourthly, It's very difficult to defend. Again, if SHTF, and you live somewhere other than on the land in question, how do you possibly compel a tenant to pay for the use of said land? We rely on the state to ensure contracts are upheld, but if this world really starts to burn, what law enforcement agency is going to use the threat of violence against a tenant to uphold your rights as a landlord?
THIS government in particular, has already showed that it has a strong dislike for passive investments. When they finally get hungry for tax dollars, passive investment is going to get thrust back into the spotlight, as will capital gains whether realized or not.
Land as a store of wealth is a long ways from a "sure thing" in my mind if we as a society take a running jump off the high diving board into the shallow end of the pool.
most land owners hold title to their land, the crown ultimately is the owner. One day they ("government") may just take it back?
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostWhat would a Conservative government done differently?
I don’t give a hoot about the US at this point .. can’t you see what’s going on here in Canada ??
For the sake of your kids and / or grandkids...
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Originally posted by MBgrower View Postmost land owners hold title to their land, the crown ultimately is the owner. One day they ("government") may just take it back?
Again take a very close look at agenda 2030
That video displayed in an early thread .... watch number 1 .... just sayinLast edited by furrowtickler; Oct 7, 2020, 23:16.
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Originally posted by furrowtickler View PostThink about this for a minute if you possibly can ...
I don’t give a hoot about the US at this point .. can’t you see what’s going on here in Canada ??
For the sake of your kids and / or grandkids...
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