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    #11
    Falling Numbers are a weird one to me.

    Their readings are dependent on the kPa so change depending on elevation. (Yet you have to manually tell it so I’m always curious how big an effect a pressure system can have on results)

    While the amounts used in a representative portion are things like 300g ground, 7ish g flour weighed, 25 ml of water..... it is still possible that in that 300g there aren’t many or maybe there’s a higher than representative amount for factors like sprouts, so even in that well stirred portion, does every 7g tested run the same chance of getting influencing factors at the correct amount they appear in the grain? (This will all get pushed back onto ensuring representative samples) It’s really the least consistent test I’ve personally done in that, you can run the same sample in the moisture or protein testers and you will be within .2 of itself every time. FNs have to be within 5% and they are so sensitive that that seems hard for some. Also, the FN people themselves will tell you that the higher the number, the less accurate/consistent you will get and anything over 400 will be harder to nail down. Not really an issue since over 400 is good, but if they start paying premiums it would be worth keeping in mind.

    On the plus side, with the nature of the FN test, it seems that any **** up will more often than not result in a higher number for the grain, not a lower.

    However I do wonder with so many companies saying they’re going to buy based on FN, not grades, what are they really going to do when faced with grain like Case’s. A subjective grade is one thing to disregard, maybe. But they tout the health for things like fus and ergot, can you disregard those factors in the face of the grain making good bread? Oh, it’ll look good but it might make you sick too. So do they mean they’ll buy based on FN, not visual grade, but you’re still subject to the downgrade of other stuff? They like to make it sound so simple....

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      #12
      Absolutely zero wheat bought on falling number here this year ... so far. Was not even mentioned.

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        #13
        It’s some vague “in the future” thing.

        I’ve heard V say in 2-3 years and they seem about the farthest away from being able to do it 😂

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          #14
          Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
          It’s some vague “in the future” thing.

          I’ve heard V say in 2-3 years and they seem about the farthest away from being able to do it 😂
          Last two years here some had to test every load let alone every bin sample . And those same samples could vary up to 75 points from location to location . Beyond frustrating when $.50 / bus was the difference from breaking even to losing money on grain delivered... was not real funny tbh for a lot of producers .

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            #15
            Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
            People only dispute the moisture tester if it tests higher. Never hear anyone disputing when it tests lower.

            Usually the reverse of the protein tester 😂

            “Oh that’s two points dryer than my tester at home said. Guess I get to go!”
            This article is most likely about oats
            You can test a thousand tests with those new fancy automatic testers
            Eveyone will be a point tougher than the 919 , gauranteed
            i have saw it the other way in feed barley
            Its so ludicrous there isnt hardly any reading on the 919 when you get oats to 12.5 on the 919 which is 13.5 on the automatic one , basically straw
            They dont want glyphosate used but they want it so dry its almost impossible
            Last edited by Guest; Oct 19, 2020, 12:49.

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              #16
              Originally posted by caseih View Post
              This article is most likely about oats
              And Viterra.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
                People only dispute the moisture tester if it tests higher. Never hear anyone disputing when it tests lower.

                Usually the reverse of the protein tester 😂

                “Oh that’s two points dryer than my tester at home said. Guess I get to go!”
                WHOA!!!!! quick to take but slow to give.

                GrainCo's whine when moisture is a bit high but not a fuuuucken peep when it comes in between 10 and 12%. Shrinkage on top of tough surcharges but no bonus on over dry, but but but I'm sure there's a reason.

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                  #18
                  Not a buyer, don’t know what they’re allowed to offer. All I deal with is in person comments about machine efficacy.

                  Have absolutely seen “premiums“ for extra dry grain and have absolutely seen the fudging of tough to be dry so.... 🤷*♀️

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                    #19
                    Last fall I gotta say our buyers were very lenient on moisture at harvest. Tough on our tester but ok for them. 👍

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