More airline bailout talk

[Guest]

Hey tweety maybe two years of zero canola going to China.

Oh wait others are buying then mark it up and sell to China.

We lost 2 dollars a bushel but who’s counting.

**** I hate stupid farmers

We’re getting handed our lunch by other countries and we play dead. We’re so proud of nothing.

He/she isnt a farmer

[Blaithin]

Hey tweety maybe two years of zero canola going to China.

Oh wait others are buying then mark it up and sell to China.

We lost 2 dollars a bushel but who’s counting.

**** I hate stupid farmers

We’re getting handed our lunch by other countries and we play dead. We’re so proud of nothing.

What’s that got to do with Covid?

Yeah canola is a government sacrifice farmers are paying for, but can hardly say it’s because of covid.

I haven’t really seen Covid affect grain prices negatively. If anything it could be a driver in the prices currently going up. The real cost to grain farmers would be how the price of other things - inputs, parts, etc - have gone up and how some things take forever to arrive, if they can be had at all.

Covid hasn’t caused farmers to close their doors or only allow half occupancy or frightened away customers. It probably hasn’t required a large investment in new infrastructure for ppe for employees either. Has it made anyone miss work?

Costs are up, but is production down because of it?

Really if there’s a list of industry’s that have been fairly cushioned from the pandemic, Ag has to be on there. Especially grain. Even the blips in the packing plants seem to have smoothed out and I doubt any grain farmer would say they have it worse than the chicken or pig guys that had to burry entire barns.

[bucket]

It's about helping out when shit hits the fan....

Airlines auto dairy get handouts...

Irrigation farmers are rarely hurt but are receiving 40 bucks an acre. .

No fault of their own...

Dryland farmers get SFA with a drought or lower prices...unless you are 50 percent of a 3 year Olympic average. ..


You see where I am going...big picture stuff....not a myopic look at did a guy suffer because of covid. ....

Every industry other than ranchers and dryland farmers get the same help in a shorter time frame. ..

Feeders got a set aside ....will the cow calf guy get help as their prices fall....nope that's the market....

[Blaithin]

Do you need it or do you just want it because other people get it so it’s only fair you do too.

Life would be easier if I got the payments that some people do, but that doesn’t mean I need them.

[MBgrower]

The same amount that have been affected in the states that Trump has been throwing money at...

Which has distorted the market...

The airlines are just having a drought....why not analyze their books over a 5 year period and wait until they are done books and then average it out....

Why not an agristability like program to analyze the airlines issues?????

Use an Olympic average to calculate their losses? Take out the best and worst years and multiply by 0.7. I see no problems with that, afterall works for farmers? Agri retail employees who drive company pickups wouldnt know.

[tweety]

Hey tweety maybe two years of zero canola going to China.

Oh wait others are buying then mark it up and sell to China.

We lost 2 dollars a bushel but who’s counting.

**** I hate stupid farmers

We’re getting handed our lunch by other countries and we play dead. We’re so proud of nothing.

Canola not sold to China wasn't because of Covid.

Your costs are up because of all the data you provide to market more effectively.

Edit, should say mostly up. The rest is because they can, like lumber.

[farmaholic]

Use an Olympic average to calculate their losses? Take out the best and worst years and multiply by 0.7. I see no problems with that, afterall works for farmers? Agri retail employees who drive company pickups wouldnt know.

Isn't it.... calculate the o-limp-dick average....70% of that is the reference margin and you need to fall below 70% of the reference margin to trigger a payment?

[Oliver88]

Do you need it or do you just want it because other people get it so it’s only fair you do too.

Life would be easier if I got the payments that some people do, but that doesn’t mean I need them.

Depends on the farmer, some are going bankrupt/having an auction sale and the next guy is living large in his farm ghetto buying an electric powered SUV for 110k.

Every time a free trade deal is signed (USMCA, CETA, CPTPP) dairy farmers (Heavily based in Quebec/Ontario) get a negotiated payment.
USA has paid soybean, corn, wheat growers big $ to outlast the trade war with China.
It’s not unreasonable for grain farmers in Western Canada to want a payment similar to a competitor especially when our government causes a decrease in the canola income for several years due to incompetence.

[walterm]

All my life I've been hearing we can't compete with EU and USA subsidies. It was used as excuse for need to get rid of CWB it was used as reasoning g to implement cash advances not that those are bad things just that producer groups and ALL governments have known they are irritants and did nothing to deal with them or counter act them. ALL Governments.

[Blaithin]

Depends on the farmer, some are going bankrupt/having an auction sale and the next guy is living large in his farm ghetto buying an electric powered SUV for 110k.

Every time a free trade deal is signed (USMCA, CETA, CPTPP) dairy farmers (Heavily based in Quebec/Ontario) get a negotiated payment.
USA has paid soybean, corn, wheat growers big $ to outlast the trade war with China.
It’s not unreasonable for grain farmers in Western Canada to want a payment similar to a competitor especially when our government causes a decrease in the canola income for several years due to incompetence.

Not unreasonable no. But if you’re banking on it and feel it’s a necessity for your farm to continue to operate... then there’s probably a few other things you could be doing.

Like revamping your business plan.

Better things to spend energy on than being bitter that the government in one country pays for its farmers more than in your country. (A quick look at the most frequently brought up country and it’s subsidies could be linked to the fact that it’s population can’t afford even the cheapest of foods and relies heavily on food stamps. Inability to pay for a product leads to the gov paying for that product, leads to the lowest possible price offered for that product, leads to the gov having to subsidize the overhead it takes to produce that product that nobody can afford to pay for to cover. Vicious circle.) But hey, socialists are bad and raising minimum wage here won’t help anything.

[woodland]

Our yearlings are at least 30 cents less than a year ago. On a 1,000 lbs that’s $300 for easy math. Hope it doesn’t stay this way for long or else we’ll either be forced to go up to 1,000 head or 0 to make it pencil out. Got more for sale than a year ago but still going to net less dollars.

Air Canada and Westjet can go suck eggs as far as I’m concerned. They can send any un required help on EI, Trudeau Twoonies, whatever, and park planes and wait. My critters eat cash and grass every day and are very “perishable”.

Time for everyone to tighten the belt and ride it out. Sold some barley for next week pickup for $5.10 which is amazing in my books. The grain side of this operation looks golden right now.

Enjoy the ride. Hope most of us make it to the other side🍀

[bucket]

Woodland

anyone going to make you whole from year to year? Will the cattle insurance cover it? Agristability? or using your agri-invest?

And yet the airlines need money to make sure they pay their dividend. And their executives in a way that no one knows...

But hey some farmers want to go it alone while the market gets distorted by the Trump ad hoc payments and other countries doing things to make their farmers be an economic driver....