More airline bailout talk

[Oliver88]

Not unreasonable no. But if you’re banking on it and feel it’s a necessity for your farm to continue to operate... then there’s probably a few other things you could be doing.

Like revamping your business plan.

Better things to spend energy on than being bitter that the government in one country pays for its farmers more than in your country.

I’m definitely not banking on help from a Trudeau government and in fact keep receiving tax increases in the form of carbon taxes.
Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity. I am on the same page as Bucket on this topic.

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

[Horse]

Interesting, most farmers would be very happy to have an employee with their Class 1A for only $22/hour.

Not everyone is or needs to be a class 1 driver,there are lots of other jobs.

[furrowtickler]

I’m definitely not banking on help from a Trudeau government and in fact keep receiving tax increases in the form of carbon taxes.
Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity. I am on the same page as Bucket on this topic.

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

One would think they should agree , especially if they truly understand who pays their wages ..... most don’t in the ag industry sadly though
Every ag Industry job comes from every square inch of dirt we farm or animal raised . It’s amazing how so many can’t understand that
But then again most don’t understand what wealth creation actually is . It has zero to do with , oh I worked 8 or 10 hours today and I get paid ... that has zero relation to wealth creation.

[Blaithin]

I would expect most Agri-retail and ag sector employees who earn their wages in the agriculture industry would agree with us but I could be wrong?

Obviously, as I don’t feel that way.

Yes in a utopian world it sounds good to have a “level playing field” with everyone.

But at what point has the playing field ever been level?

Why this infatuation with it becoming level now. Do you think the environment is going to be level? What you can produce is going to be level? What the local population is ok with is going to be level? That regulations are going to be level?

Is this one of those things where young adults get mocked for thinking life is unfair and wanting things made easier, all while watching adults go on about how unfair the global market economy is and our gov needs to give us stuff like other govs do.

[Blaithin]

One would think they should agree , especially if they truly understand who pays their wages ..... most don’t in the ag industry sadly though
Every ag Industry job comes from every square inch of dirt we farm or animal raised . It’s amazing how so many can’t understand that
But then again most don’t understand what wealth creation actually is . It has zero to do with , oh I worked 8 or 10 hours today and I get paid ... that has zero relation to wealth creation.

So because I’m employed in ag and have a herd of cows, I should automatically want subsidies or some sort of monetary support from the government?

Rely on the government for my wage?

No thanks. I don’t trust them enough for that.

Farm groups and govs should be pushing for better trade deals and production incomes, yes, absolutely. The cost of the product has to stay linked with the cost of production on all levels, not stay stuck in the 70s on certain levels. Government policies that are applied generically to encompass farms and rural life like it’s an urban centre, like the carbon tax, also need to be thought out differently so they aren’t such hobbles. But no, I don’t think the answer is get monthly cheque’s from the government or an annual lump sum support cheque or whatever.

[foragefarmer]

Oliver 88

"Our farm groups and all levels of governments should push forward to get us all on an equal playing field with other sectors and also farmers in the USA when we both export the same commodity."

"Equal playing field"

You whine and complain about government funding to Universities regarding certain degrees that don't fit your agenda , and now make a post on Agriville wanting a monthly government cheque.

I guess that's your idea of an "Equal Playing Field"

[bucket]

So because I’m employed in ag and have a herd of cows, I should automatically want subsidies or some sort of monetary support from the government?

Rely on the government for my wage?

No thanks. I don’t trust them enough for that.

Farm groups and govs should be pushing for better trade deals and production incomes, yes, absolutely. The cost of the product has to stay linked with the cost of production on all levels, not stay stuck in the 70s on certain levels. Government policies that are applied generically to encompass farms and rural life like it’s an urban centre, like the carbon tax, also need to be thought out differently so they aren’t such hobbles. But no, I don’t think the answer is get monthly cheque’s from the government or an annual lump sum support cheque or whatever.

All novel ideas but since no one is working on trade deals and other countries value their farmers with direct payments....

The solution will be narrowed down to an ad hoc. ...

Or continue with consolidation of farms...that's the policy of government for quite a while.....the BTO that is expanding is making money on agristability....run their numbers ...

Talking about no government payments to farmers is just very naive...and a recipe for a disaster. ..

[Blaithin]

Talking about no government payments to farmers is just very naive...and a recipe for a disaster. ..

I feel the opposite.

Thinking government payments are going to fix anything is naive.

That would be a patch covering up the issues that would be liable to spring a leak or pop off at any given time. Increasing the populations reliance on the government, making us more vulnerable to political games.

[bucket]

I feel the opposite.

Thinking government payments are going to fix anything is naive.

That would be a patch covering up the issues that would be liable to spring a leak or pop off at any given time.

So why direct payments to airlines autos dairy irrigation protein industries etc etc etc...

And why are other countries doing the same?


But you keep subsidizing you farm with off farm employment while your expanding neighbors use your tax dollars...

It's a noble cause you speak of but very naive...

Please widen your view of things.


BTW what would 40 bucks an acre do for your farm for 5 years? ???

That's what irrigation farmers are getting to grow the same crops as dryland farmers...

[Blaithin]

Don’t assume that a wider view would make me see things your way.

I have my opinions, I don’t think any industry should be reliant on gov payments. Once it starts it’s next to impossible to stop. I wouldn’t appreciate the generation ahead of me implementing something that I’m then stuck with for the rest of my life or vulnerable to it being removed.

What other countries do is irrelevant to me. Other countries pay people 50 cents a day too. Maybe that’s also something we should look at to increase our profit margins.

[bucket]

Take the narrow view....

Your tax dollars are being used against your own operation....

While I was working off farm I watched guys expand only to learn they used government money and FCC write downs to get ahead and now there is a second generation going to pull the same stunt ....

You won't be convinced ....learn the hard way...

[furrowtickler]

I would say your both right lol
Bucket is right , I watched the same thing .
And I agree Blathin , less government in Ag the better but they have botched many trade relations with our biggest trade importers of Ag exports .... there is resentment there and they have cost farmers dearly the past 5 years